HEEL CLICKERS ON A VMAX 4 800!! 3:16 (tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

I KNOW THERE IS A SET-UP ON THE TECH PAGE FOR HEEL CLICKERS ON A VMAX 800, BUT DID ANYBODY HERE TEST A SET ON A PIPED VMAX 4. TELL YA I JUST INSTALLED A HEEL CLICKER SET- UP ON MY 2000 SRX AND IF THEY WORK, I AM GONNA TRY THEM ON MY PSI QUADED 96 VMAX 800 ON THE ICE. ANY SUGGESTIONS HERE FOR STARTING POINT. 3:16 (tony)

[Skinner]

Load the weights up

[Master of Faster]

I know that Jeff's sled (f272V4) runs very well with them, but he has stock pipes.

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

68 GRAMS FOR START. I LIKE TOO TALK TOO JEFF, BUT HE AIN,T BEEN AROUND IN ALONG TIME. 3:16 (tony)

[f272v4]

Tony, I'm here! I'll tell ya, been a long time since I have played with the setups & been a lot of memory cells that I have drank away but I will tell you everything I know. First, I DID NOT get them to work with the stock secondary clutch. I put the heel-x on and wow big diff. I had problems with heat on the primary before. Now, the thing just works. I have got 4 times the belt life. As far as grams I had to purchase extra ss bolts to get what I ended up with. I am still using what I think is on the tech page. Also, HC's dont like low gearing. I geared down & I actually was quicker when I went back to stock gearing. My gut feeling is you will want less weight in the heel for a higher engagement than I am at but you will need more weight in the ramp for piped v4. What I have on the tech page may get you close enough for a starter. Let me know what ur looking for & I will try to help any way I can. One question, are u the same Tony that told me to put them out in Mondays garbage? Shoulder = 5.1 Mid = 6.80 Tip = 4.85 = 67.70 Weight Red Spring = 230 – 350 Heel-X 80*

[Skinner]

68 GRAMS FOR START. I LIKE TOO TALK TOO JEFF, BUT HE AIN,T BEEN AROUND IN ALONG TIME. 3:16 (tony)

YUP. Going to try a set of Haucks T-weights in the stocker, 65 gms to start. I would think their on the same level as the heavy hitters

[noink]

hey tony

i think his brain cells are quite intact !!!
i remember you sayin to toss them in the garbage...

but you also mentioned there was a fear of fractures and you knew one that let go at high rpm

come ot think of it my brain cells arent too bad if im remembering this !!!

all in good fun guys !!!

what is the claim to fame on this system ... possibly better fuel economy ?

gas prices :Flush: :2dontknow

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

JEFF , GREAT TOO HEAR FROM YOU. GOT TOO TELL YA I MIGHT STILL TELL YA '' PUT THEM IN MONDAYS GARBAGE '' BECAUSE ITS REAL TUFF TOO BEAT 8BU.s. ESPECIALLY FOR RACING. THING I WILL SAY IS 8BU-00 ONLY TAKE YA SO FARR. TUNEING OPTIONS ON HEEL CLICKERS IS UNREAL. NOW, I JUST INSTALLED A SET IN MY 2000 SRX FOR DRAG,IN. STAY TUNED. AFEW HIGHER UPS THAN ME THAT RUN ALOT ON TY SWEAR BY THEM. ESPECIALLY IN A SRX. THANKS FOR A REPLYING. NOW JUST AFEW SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
1. THE 40-10 BOLT RIGHT IN LIKE THEY DO ON A SRX ?
2. I ASSUME YOU USE RED CLICKER SPRING, YOU SAY MUST HAVE TALL COVER. ALL MY 800,s CAME WITH TALL COVER BECAUSE I USE SRX SPRINGS.
3. WHY DO YOU SAY , VMAX SECONDARY WOULD NOT WORK. BECAUSE YOU DID NOT HAVE HELIX.
4. IF YOUR CLUTCH WAS GETTING HOT, WAS BELT SLIPING, MAYBE DEFFERENT ROLLERS WOULD OF HELPED.
5.WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT LESS WEIGHT IN HEEL IS MY THINKING TO, BUT THESE HAVE NOTCH FOR ENGAGEMENT.
6. YOU THINK YOUR SLED IS FASTER THAN MY 8BU SET-UP
3:16 (tony)
ps, nice info for somebody who drank away their brain cells. lol

[f272v4]

Tony,
You know, I will never knock ur 8BU set-up for dragging, but I run trails to. I have a very tame in and out of town set-up… Smooth at low speeds all day long. Yes, the 40-10 HC do bolt right in but to get the weight needed I had to go get all new ss bolts & nuts to get the weight up where I needed it. The kit did not (at that time) come with enough bolt on weight. The newer styles may be better now for the weight needed, not sure. Yes I did use the red clicker spring with the newer taller cover. Correction, I should have not said the stock secondary won’t work, but it didn’t work for me by just changing the primary to the HC’s. Like you pointed out I think I would have to try different rollers. I did try a couple different helix’s, but that was it. It was just to easy to bolt the heel-x on and that solved all the problems. I lost all the heat, got WAY better belt life & had great back shift at any RPM. It is true there is a notch for engagement but lowering the weight on the heel will bring up the engagement rpm. I am low ~ 42-44. I am running trail studs a 5K engagement would just not help me much. I doubt very much I would run with ur 8BU set-up in a drag race, but with chisels & additional tuning my guess is I have a good chance to be competitive. Master may be able to answer that better, he’s got a lot more experience in setting up his v4 & may be able tell how I run against him if the HC’s would stand any chance against the 8BU. One think to keep in mind is I am not piped & I run pretty well against him. I could hang on the difference he took me out of the hole to the end.

[Master of Faster]

I can't say too much about about how Jeffs sled would run against that 8BU setup but I will say that I was very impressed at how your sled (Jeff) ran. I remember when we raced I had shaved down chisel track and you were running a trail track so it wasn't exactly an apples to apples comparison, I had a big advantage out of the hole when we were on the ice but then about half way down it turned to snow and then Jeff had some traction advantage there. Hard to say how it would have turned out had we both had comparable tracks.

Jeff, maybe if the river freezes this year we'll meet up again, I got mine all put back toether after I blew the chaincase out of it and I have a whole different more aggressive setup to start testing, I will be using the 8BU's and looking for that AC the beat me a couple years back, lol. Talk to you later.

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

AGAIN BUD YOUR A WEALTH OF INFO. ANYWAYS YOU ARE CORRECT THAT I ALSO THINK THESE HEEL CLICKERS ARE MORE AND MORE USER FRIENDLY VS WHEN THEY FIRST CAME OUT. AGAIN, MY SRX WILL TELL THE TALE FOR ME. I AM SO IN STONE WITH 8BU,s I BETTER NOTICE A DEFFERENCE. OR GOODBYE. I STILL SAY THE TUNEING OPTIONS ARE UNREAL. NOW ALSO KEEP IN MINE , MOST OF THE 8BU VMAX 800 SET-UPS I HAVE PASSED ALONG HERE ARE ALSO FAST TRAIL. TOO GO TOO A RACE APP. WITH THAT REQUIRES HIGHER ENGAGEMENT WHICH SOME DID NOT LIKE. THATS WHY I POSTED YA NEED 4500-5000. IT WOULD BE VERY INTRESTING A RACE SET HC VS MY 8BU. I HOPE HUGH WILSON POSTS ON THIS BECAUSE I THOUGHT HUGH TOLD ME THE 8BU WERE FASTER. I MIGHT BE WRONG. THIS IS WHERE I AM FIGUREING TOO START AT IF I DO THIS.
HEEL CLICKER RED
40-10 NOTCHED. 5300 ENGAGEMENT
PROBLET LESS WEIGHT AT TIP
68 GRAMS TOTAL
52-39 HELIX
100 DEGREE WRAP / SILVER SPRING.
SILVER SPRING
22-39 GEARING
JUST A STARTING POINT 3:16 (tony)

[Skinner]

MOF, you said you took out the chaincase. 750 or 800? Why do you think the case went south on you?

Sorry Tony, don't mean to hyjack your thread, if this gets lenghtly I will start another one

[Master of Faster]

I had a 94 750 chaincase in it originally with the 15 wide chain, pulled up to the line to make another pass and it snapped the chain on the launch, destroyed the case. I always kept fresh oil in it, kept it adjusted properly, and I had just checked the chain two days before and it seemed to be in great shape so I was a little upset that it broke, now I put a 800 driveline in it for the better secondary, one-piece shaft, and big chain.

[Skinner]

MOF, are you pounding some hp to that chain case or a mild built motor?Reason I ask is because I have bought several 750 shafts and cases to convert from 800 to 750. Some machined for AC secondaries and some not. Was going to use a cat secondary in the improver this year, 750 shaft and case, 15 wide chain. I've heard this from only a few guys now, storys identical to yours. I've been told that if your going to throw the snot to the drivers, I need to stay with the 17 wide chain. Sounds like thats what you did. Thanks for the info.

[Master of Faster]

Skinner when I took that chain out it was on a basically stock motor, nothing special at all, I was running a chisel track and bringing it in low at the time only about 4500rpm. Now it comes in alot harder at about 5600rpm and I don't think a 750 chain would hold up, but I suppose it could have been just a freak break, our 265hp turbo RX only runs a 13-wide with no problems so I don't know. I will say that when I run my Vmax-4 I run it ALOT, I mean when the racing is good sometimes I'll make 20 passes back-to-back until I get tired of riding it then I'll get my brother to drive it so that 750 chain probably had a couple hundred hard runs on it, plus some trail miles from when I still trailrode it.

[POWERSHACK]

YUP. Going to try a set of Haucks T-weights in the stocker, 65 gms to start. I would think their on the same level as the heavy hitters

I don't talk much about the " T " weight, but you have the best weight for a vmax-4 hands down.

start them out at 63 grams , if you need help with these i could give you the set up that pat gave me !!!

your et's will be lower & mph higher.

powershack

POWERSHACK MOTORSPORTS
AUTHORIZED HAUCK PERFORMANCE PARTS DEALER
641-660-8208 IF I CAN HELP

[jminor]

powershack what does a set of those t weights go for?

[Skinner]

Powershack: Thanks for the info, pretty much the same thing Pat told me. Did'nt know you were a Hauck dealer. I will give you a call sometime this week and I certainly appreciate the offer.

[POWERSHACK]

powershack what does a set of those t weights go for?

jminor i think they are $200.00 . I CAN SEE WHAT I CAN DO ON THEM FOR YOU IF NEED A SET.
I'LL CHECK ON MONDAY , JUST CALL ME IF I CAN HELP.

POWERSHACK

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

I WANT TOO RESURFACE THIS POST. !! 3:16 (tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

JEFF, COULD NOT GET THE HEEL CLICKERS IN MY PRIMARY WITHOUT MACHINEING SPIDER WHERE WEIGHT SITS . HAVE THEM REALLY WORKING IN SRX THOUGH. 3:16 (tony)

[the Wolfman]

I've got HeelClickers in my Max...didn't have to machine spider, just notched out the lip of the moving half to make room for the heel bolt...can post pic if need be..

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

WOLFMAN, YES POST THOSE PICTURES. BY THE WAY, HOW DO YA LIKE THEM ? !! 3:16 (tony)

[jminor]

Wolf has his sled working awesome wiht those weights.

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

TELL YA THEY WORK IN A SRX. CAN,T SEE WHY THEY WOULD NOT IN A VMAX 4. 3:16 (tony)

[Chevy2]

Tony, Weren't you the one that told me that the only weight to use in my vmax4 was an 8BU and not the Polaris weight? Oh by the way, The Polaris weight rocks the in the vmax4!!! :schild27:

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

I THINK I TOLD YA THAT 8BU-00 ARE A PRETTY PROVE,IN SET-UP IN A VMAX 4. PRETTY HARD TOO BEAT!!! IF YOU GOT YOUR POLARIS WEIGHTS TO WORK, GOOD FOR YOU. INSTEAD OF BEING ALITTLE SMART ASS, WHY DON,T YOU POST YOUR POLARIS SET-UP FOR ALL TOO TRY HERE LIKE I HAVE DONE WITH A ZILLION , PROVE,IN 8BU SET-UPS. SOUNDS LIKE YOUR STILL CRYING OVER ME SAYING YOUR 107 MPH IN 1000 F.T. IS FAIR. !! 3:16 (tony)

[Chevy2]

Tony, All you do is cut people down and call them childish names. Why don't you call me names to my face like a real man and then we can play a game called "watch what happens next"!! :schild27:

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

WATCH OUT !!!!! CHEVY2 MAN WANTS TOO FIGHT!!!! lol.WHERE ANYWHERE IN THIS POST IS ANYTHING AIMED AT YOU, TELL YA WHAT, LETS PLAY THIS GAME. PLEASE POST YOUR POLARIS SET-UPS. SO ALL CAN TRY IT!! TELL YA WHAT TUFF GUY. YOU PUT YOUR VMAX 4 OR SRX ON THE LINE AGAINST EITHER ONE OF MY SLEDS. GRASS OR ICE. YOU POSTED NICE PICTURE OF A HOLE SHOT HERE , PROVE IT !!!!! THAN WHEN WERE DONE I,LL TALK TO YA LIKE A MAN. DO NOT TRY AND SHOW ME UP CHEVY 2 BECAUSE YOU WILL LOOSE!!!!!!!!!!! THIS POST WAS ABOUT HEEL CLICKERS WORKING IN A VMAX 4. HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU OR YOUR SMART ASS COMMETS. WHO CARES ABOUT POLARIS WEIGHTS. 3:16 (tony)

[the Wolfman]

I love the weights Tony..nice adjustability...I'll post a pic of the sheave mod on Monday..it just makes room for the weight to fold over and not interfere with the heel bolt/washers...

[the Wolfman]

PS..Josh...gonna make it up for the 10th@ Paint? might be the last hoorah...

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

WOLFMAN, THANKS BUD. I AGREE I LOVE THEM IN MY SRX. WOULD LOVE TOO GET THEM IN MY VMAX 4. THEIR A TUNERS DELIGHT. 3:16 (tony)

[the Wolfman]

there ya go YamiG..hope it gives enuff detail...it's 10 mm wide by 3 mm deep, hawged out with dremel...it gives plenty of clearance even with this primary cut for full ride height...somebody mentioned spider contact..that'll happen if you install too many washers...not a good idea anyway as it puts too much weight off the pin axis...makes the weight try to twist as it shifts out..

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

THANKS WOLFMAN. I WAS THE ONE THAT POSTED MY HEEL CLICKERS BOLTS WERE HANGING UP ON SPIDER NOT ALLOWING SHEAVES TOO SLIDE. THE HEAD BOLT WAS RUBBERING ON SIDE OF SPIDER. I HAD NO PROBLEM GETING THEM IN, THEY JUST HUNG UP CLUTCH. NOW IF YOU DON,T INSTALL WASHERS, HOW DO YA GET WEIGHT YA NEED. 3:16 (tony)

[the Wolfman]

well for starters..you all seem to be loading the arms heavier than I am....I'm running the gray spring and loading the arms with 57.5 grams total/ 27.2 @ the tip...it's pulling a 56/45 D P helix all the way to finish with 38/22 (1:72) gear set.(500 ft ice)....last weekend was the first time out with the new secondary shaft and late model driven (special thanks to Skinner)..so far so good...now I just have to slot my mounts and install that other thing....

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

SHURE THATS THE PROBLEM. I LOADED MY CLICKERS UP. I BASISLY WENT OFF MY SRX SET-UP. YOU SEEM TO BE IN THAT LOADED 8BU AREA FOR WEIGHT. THANKS WOLFMAN. 3:16 (tony)

[the Wolfman]

hope I helped out....

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

GREAT HELP. THANKS AGAIN. 3:16 (tony)

[Skinner]

well for starters..you all seem to be loading the arms heavier than I am....I'm running the gray spring and loading the arms with 57.5 grams total/ 27.2 @ the tip...it's pulling a 56/45 D P helix all the way to finish with 38/22 (1:72) gear set.(500 ft ice)....last weekend was the first time out with the new secondary shaft and late model driven (special thanks to Skinner)..so far so good...now I just have to slot my mounts and install that other thing....

I am "REALLY" interested to know how that "OTHER THING" shakes out. I think thats going to be a real weapon, Hang on for the holeshot!!!

[jminor]

I'm interested as well and would like to look into a future group buy on the retro fit kits..
Tony think you can get those heelclickers to work in a comet clutch.....LOL

[the Wolfman]

ya had to let the cat outta the bag and tell everybody didn't ya Skinner...lol..I was gonna surprize Josh..he'd probably would'a been looking for a loose plug wire or somethin'...

[Skinner]

Looked in the cage and the cats still there. Josh would be puttin the plug in he forgot about. Damn Comets,,,,,ehy???

[jminor]

on to you 2 clowns like flies on shit LOL!! I guess I need to get used to it though, when you are at the top everyone wants to try and knock you off. Skinner give me a call sometime I'll tell you what its like!!!LOL!

[Reimond]

I've got HeelClickers in my Max...didn't have to machine spider, just notched out the lip of the moving half to make room for the heel bolt...can post pic if need be..

HI,
I believe weight heel is hitting to moving half not the heel bolt?

I have three different versions of HC weights and for some of those you need to notch moving sheave more than another ones.