IS IT THE F7'S FAULT????

[jminor]

GREAT , GREAT IDEA STEVE. ESPECIALLY WHEN SOME HAVE SAID GRASS DRAGS ARE ON THE DECLINE. LIKE JOSH SUGGESTS ABOUT WHAT SLED FROM EACH MANUFACTUER TO USE, MY GUESS IS BRING A F-7 OR DON,T BOTHER. 3:16 (yammie tony)

SO BITTER ABOUT THE F7'S, I BET IF YOU TRIED ONE YOU'D LIKE IT...

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

SEE HERE IS THE FACT. THIS IS NOT AIMED AT WHAT STEVE WANTS TO DO. HERE IN NY, WE HAVE LOST MORE GRASS DRAGS THAN GAINED. PRO ORG. HAVE KILLED THIS SPORT. READ MY REASONS.
1. ENTIE FEES
2. SET-UP FEES
3. PURSE
4. BASISLY LETTING THE F-7 RUN ALL CLASSES AND KILLING EVERYTHING ELSE
5. SCREWING AMATEURS. WHICH BY THE WAY IS SUPPOSE TO BE ENTIE LEVEL. BUT YET YOU PAY PRO FEE, AND GET TROPIE (maybe) IF YA WIN.
6. EXAMPLE. LAST YEAR AT WOODYS CHALLENGE AT SENECA FALLS NY. ISR PRO SANTIONED EVENT 40 SLEDS. NO SPECTATORS, NO MONEY MADE. GUESS WHO GETS SCREWED, GUY THAT OWNS TRACK HAS TO PAY OUT OF HIS POCKET.
1. HIS HELP
2. PRO SETUP FEE TO COME IN AND SET-UP RACE
3. INSURANCE
AND NOW ANOTHER PROBLEM, OUTRAGEOUS TRAVEL COSTS.
I WON,T MENTION JACOBEYS JOSH, ITS ALREADY A PROVE,IN FACT OUTLAW SET-UP IS A WINNER AND WHATS A LOSER. I THINK ITS A GREAT IDEA STEVE HAS HERE, TELL YA HOW BITTER I AM, I BELIEVE ASPHALT MIGHT BE ON THE VERGE OF TAKING ON GRASS RACING. ITS CHEAP, CLEAN , FAST, RACE ANYTIME YOU WANT. NO RULES BECAUSE ITS BRACKET. THIS IS THE WAY OF THE WORLD IN SNOWMOBILE RACING NOW HERE ATLEAST IN NY. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

SO BITTER ABOUT THE F7'S, I BET IF YOU TRIED ONE YOU'D LIKE IT...
JOSH, NOT MY POINT. I RIDDEN MANY F-7,s. MATTER OF FACT FRIEND OF MINE '' INTIMIDATOR '' ON AMSNOW LETS ME RIDE HIS WHEN EVER I WANT. PROBLEY ONE OF THE FASTEST ONES IN NY, DON,T BELIEVE ME , POST IT ON AMSNOW. MY POINT IS THIS SLED HAS OBSLETED EVERYTHING, INCLUDEING THE SRX. MIGHT BE HOPE THOUGH WITH THIS NEW 800 SKIDOO. I AM GONNA GET OFF OF THIS, THIS IS NOT STEVE,s POINT. ALL I AM SAYING IS IF YA WANT TO TEACH GUYS HOW TO RACE, YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO IT WITH WHAT EVERYBODY USES. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

SEE HERE IS THE FACT. THIS IS NOT AIMED AT WHAT STEVE WANTS TO DO. HERE IN NY, WE HAVE LOST MORE GRASS DRAGS THAN GAINED. PRO ORG. HAVE KILLED THIS SPORT. READ MY REASONS.
1. ENTIE FEES
2. SET-UP FEES
3. PURSE
4. BASISLY LETTING THE F-7 RUN ALL CLASSES AND KILLING EVERYTHING ELSE
5. SCREWING AMATEURS. WHICH BY THE WAY IS SUPPOSE TO BE ENTIE LEVEL. BUT YET YOU PAY PRO FEE, AND GET TROPIE (maybe) IF YA WIN.
6. EXAMPLE. LAST YEAR AT WOODYS CHALLENGE AT SENECA FALLS NY. ISR PRO SANTIONED EVENT 40 SLEDS. NO SPECTATORS, NO MONEY MADE. GUESS WHO GETS SCREWED, GUY THAT OWNS TRACK HAS TO PAY OUT OF HIS POCKET.
1. HIS HELP
2. PRO SETUP FEE TO COME IN AND SET-UP RACE
3. INSURANCE
AND NOW ANOTHER PROBLEM, OUTRAGEOUS TRAVEL COSTS.
I WON,T MENTION JACOBEYS JOSH, ITS ALREADY A PROVE,IN FACT OUTLAW SET-UP IS A WINNER AND WHATS A LOSER. I THINK ITS A GREAT IDEA STEVE HAS HERE, TELL YA HOW BITTER I AM, I BELIEVE ASPHALT MIGHT BE ON THE VERGE OF TAKING ON GRASS RACING. ITS CHEAP, CLEAN , FAST, RACE ANYTIME YOU WANT. NO RULES BECAUSE ITS BRACKET. THIS IS THE WAY OF THE WORLD IN SNOWMOBILE RACING NOW HERE ATLEAST IN NY. 3:16 (yammie tony)

great post Tony, you are bang on.

[jminor]

JOSH, NOT MY POINT. I RIDDEN MANY F-7,s. MATTER OF FACT FRIEND OF MINE '' INTIMIDATOR '' ON AMSNOW LETS ME RIDE HIS WHEN EVER I WANT. PROBLEY ONE OF THE FASTEST ONES IN NY, DON,T BELIEVE ME , POST IT ON AMSNOW. MY POINT IS THIS SLED HAS OBSLETED EVERYTHING, INCLUDEING THE SRX. MIGHT BE HOPE THOUGH WITH THIS NEW 800 SKIDOO. I AM GONNA GET OFF OF THIS, THIS IS NOT STEVE,s POINT. ALL I AM SAYING IS IF YA WANT TO TEACH GUYS HOW TO RACE, YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO IT WITH WHAT EVERYBODY USES. 3:16 (yammie tony)

lets start this in another thread....its been quiet here....

[jminor]

Is it the fault of the F7 that it has dominated racing for the past few years?? Before that it was the srx, none of us yammieguys were crying then, why cry about the f7's domination now?? Lets take a walk back through time, this isn't the first sled I'm sure to dominate, these things happen. Any and all feedback is appreciated, lets get this topic moving.

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

JOSH SHURE I,LL BITE.
SRX DOMINATES FROM 98 TO 02. NOW KEEP IN MINE THIS IS '' STOCK '' CLASS RACING. F-7 COMES OUT IN 2003. MYSELF AND MARK ARE AT BUCKS. WE BROUGHT OUR VINTAGE STUFF FOR THEIR SHOW. WE RUN DOWN TO CATCH STOCK CLASSES. F-7,s ARE RUNNING WHAT THE 800 INPROVED MACH Z RUNS FOR TIMES. 5.4 , 5.3. !!!! NOW THIS RINGS THE DEATH BELL FOR SRX, THE MACH Z BASISLY ANY 800 cc MUSCLE SLED LET ALONE A TANK VMAX 4. NOW WINTER ROLLS AROUND. STARTING TO NOTICE F-7s ON SNOW ARE VERY NORMAL. MAYBE SOME CAN GET BEAT BY THE PRE- 02 BIG IRON. WELL WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THIS. !!
1. F-7 CAN RUN ECU RACE BOX
2. F-7 IS ALLOWED PIPE MOD
3. F-7 IS ALOWED TIMING KEY ,THESE LOOK LIKE INPROVED STOCK MODS TO ME. NO PRE 02 MUSCLE SLED WAS EVER ALLOWED TO RUN THESE MODS AND STILL BE ABLE TO RUN IN STOCK CLASSES. THE SRX WAS CONSIDERED A LITE WEIGHT AT 556. THE F-7 CAME IN A 480. THE SRX WAS STALLED AT 145 hp, F-7,s HAVE BEEN DYNOED AT 160 WITH THE ABOVE RACE MODS. YET STOCK ONES WERE 138. NOW, FOUR YEARS LATTER AFTER GRASS DRAGS HAVE BECOME F-7 NATIONALS, SOME PLACES HAVE INSTALLED A HEAVY TRIPLE CLASS AND WON,T LET F-7 IN BECAUSE ITS TO LITE. I BEEN TOLD FASTEST TIMES THE SRX EVER RAN WAS 5.56 !! WHY DO YA THINK AFTER 02 SEASON, MANY SWITCH TO CAT. PRETTY SIMPLE. AND NO ITS NOT THE SLEDS FAULT, ITS THE RULES FAULT. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

JOSH SHURE I,LL BITE.
SRX DOMINATES FROM 98 TO 02. NOW KEEP IN MINE THIS IS '' STOCK '' CLASS RACING. F-7 COMES OUT IN 2003. MYSELF AND MARK ARE AT BUCKS. WE BROUGHT OUR VINTAGE STUFF FOR THEIR SHOW. WE RUN DOWN TO CATCH STOCK CLASSES. F-7,s ARE RUNNING WHAT THE 800 INPROVED MACH Z RUNS FOR TIMES. 5.4 , 5.3. !!!! NOW THIS RINGS THE DEATH BELL FOR SRX, THE MACH Z BASISLY ANY 800 cc MUSCLE SLED LET ALONE A TANK VMAX 4. NOW WINTER ROLLS AROUND. STARTING TO NOTICE F-7s ON SNOW ARE VERY NORMAL. MAYBE SOME CAN GET BEAT BY THE PRE- 02 BIG IRON. WELL WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THIS. !!
1. F-7 CAN RUN ECU RACE BOX
2. F-7 IS ALLOWED PIPE MOD
3. F-7 IS ALOWED TIMING KEY ,THESE LOOK LIKE INPROVED STOCK MODS TO ME. NO PRE 02 MUSCLE SLED WAS EVER ALLOWED TO RUN THESE MODS AND STILL BE ABLE TO RUN IN STOCK CLASSES. THE SRX WAS CONSIDERED A LITE WEIGHT AT 556. THE F-7 CAME IN A 480. THE SRX WAS STALLED AT 145 hp, F-7,s HAVE BEEN DYNOED AT 160 WITH THE ABOVE RACE MODS. YET STOCK ONES WERE 138. NOW, FOUR YEARS LATTER AFTER GRASS DRAGS HAVE BECOME F-7 NATIONALS, SOME PLACES HAVE INSTALLED A HEAVY TRIPLE CLASS AND WON,T LET F-7 IN BECAUSE ITS TO LITE. I BEEN TOLD FASTEST TIMES THE SRX EVER RAN WAS 5.56 !! WHY DO YA THINK AFTER 02 SEASON, MANY SWITCH TO CAT. PRETTY SIMPLE. AND NO ITS NOT THE SLEDS FAULT, ITS THE RULES FAULT. 3:16 (yammie tony)

1. They can run race boxes to lean down the motor, just like you can jet down
2. Is your sled not running a modded exhaust in stock class??
3. Are you saying that the F7 is the only one allowed a timing key in stock class???? I smell BS on that one. Why would they only allow a timing key on an f7?? That is ridiculous.

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

1. They can run race boxes to lean down the motor, just like you can jet down
2. Is your sled not running a modded exhaust in stock class??
3. Are you saying that the F7 is the only one allowed a timing key in stock class???? I smell BS on that one. Why would they only allow a timing key on an f7?? That is ridiculous.
JOSH, PLEASE DON,T START BEING STUPID.
LOOK AT JOSH STICKING UP FOR HIS WIFES F-7. AND JOSH, IF THIS IS THE BEGINING OF HOW GREAT THE F-7 IS ON YOUR PART, WHY YOU SCREWING WITH VMAX 4,s, RUN YOUR WIFES (lol) AND BE UNBEATABLE. 3:16 (yammie tony)
1. THERE WAS NEVER A STOCK RACE ECU FOR A SRX.
2. NO WAY JETTING DOWN GIVES YOU HP GAIN ON CARBS A FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM GIVES YA. NO STOCK SRX EVER PULLED 160.
3. WHAT EXHAUST ? NOW WHAT SLED YOU TALKING ABOUT HERE. NOT MINE. YA MY STOCK TWINS ARE MODDED. HERE WE GO , JOSH lol !! 3:16 (yammie tony)

[INLINE4]

If Yamaha made a sled out of beer cans it would be fast too..!!!

[SamueLJackson]

Even I am a yammieman I`ll wait lot from new doo 800.

I´drove new rev xp 800 on february and its sure very light -> fast. And now doo is finally learned something from us Lynx (BRP`s other sled) when making skid geometry and new doo really accelerates. Lynx have always been very fast from line......usually fastest on snowX.

I wonder how fast vmax4 would be with lynx pps -suspension on it.

Tony check video and leaflet out. If U want know why lynx suspension is better from line wrote me pm I`ll tell ya.

http://www.brpscandinavia.com/web/index.php?id=3109

By the way Boss Yamaha racing tried to buy PPS last fall.......

[jminor]

JOSH, PLEASE DON,T START BEING STUPID.
LOOK AT JOSH STICKING UP FOR HIS WIFES F-7. AND JOSH, IF THIS IS THE BEGINING OF HOW GREAT THE F-7 IS ON YOUR PART, WHY YOU SCREWING WITH VMAX 4,s, RUN YOUR WIFES (lol) AND BEAT UNBEATABLE. 3:16 (yammie tony)
1. THERE WAS NEVER A STOCK RACE ECU FOR A SRX.
2. NO WAY JETTING DOWN GIVES YOU HP GAIN ON CARBS A FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM GIVES YA. NO STOCK SRX EVER PULLED 160.
3. WHAT EXHAUST ? NOW WHAT SLED YOU TALKING ABOUT HERE. NOT MINE. YA MY STOCK TWINS ARE MODDED. HERE WE GO , JOSH lol !! 3:16 (yammie tony)

1. is it arctic cats fault that there was'nt a stock race ecu for an srx?
2 is it arctic cats fault that yamaha did'nt put fuel injection on the srx?
3 I never said anything about your pipes being modded now did I?? I said exhaust..what rpms you finishing that sled at....

Be careful what you wish for on that f7, I won't run it on the grass but some topend running in the winter isn't out of the question for your Mr. Vi#$r prepped srx....

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

JOSH, SIMPLE. WHY SCREW WITH A RX-1, AND A VMAX 4 LIKE YOUR DOING. YOU HAVE BOTH. NOW I AM NOT GONNA GET INTO A LONG PISS MATCH OVER THE F-7 WITH YOU. YOU SAT ALONG SIDE OF ME AT A VINTAGE SHOW AND AGREED WITH EVERYTHING I SAID ON THIS TOPIC. NOW ON HERE, AGAIN YOU CHANGE YOUR TUNE. THEIR ILLEGAL CHEATER SLEDS. PEROID. !! BECAREFUL WHAT I WHISH FOR !!!!!!! WHAT A JOKE. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

1. They can run race boxes to lean down the motor, just like you can jet down
2. Is your sled not running a modded exhaust in stock class??
3. Are you saying that the F7 is the only one allowed a timing key in stock class???? I smell BS on that one. Why would they only allow a timing key on an f7?? That is ridiculous.
2. READ TWO !!!!! JOSH. YOU HAVE NOT INSTALLED YOUR FEET IN YOUR MOUTH ENOUGH THE LAST TWO MONTHS. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

what did I agree with you then on that I am now disagreeing?? We both agree that they dominate, you say they are cheating, I do not. They are following the rules. IS IT ARCTIC CATS FAULT THAT THEY ARE EFI'S??????Give me a break! I told you this, I sure miss my srx and that will always be true.

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

Steve I have run cosdra a few times as an amateur and to pay $60 for 1 practice run and 1 run in your class it is a little spendy IMO for the average guy. there is too much structure. I went to one event where there was no one in my class so they just put me in open!!!!!!kiss that money good bye.
Don't get me wrong on this one, I'm not in it to make money but I like to race, not stand around all day, to me that is the problem
WHY BRING YOUR VMAX 4 JOSH. BRING YOUR F-7 AND DOMINATE. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

AGAIN, YOU KNOW NOTHING. THESE THINGS COME STOCK ON A F-7 ( race ecu. pipe mod, timing key, etc. WHATS THE WORD STOCK MEAN TO YOU. AND DON,T KICK THIS BACK TO MY 95. THAT SLED HAS NOT DESTROYED GRASS RACING THE WAY F-7 HAS. JOSH, BRING YOUR F-7 AROUND THIS WINTER , "" UNTOUCHED '' CAT STOCK. I,LL HOOK YA UP WITH INTIMIDATOR. 660 ON ICE. HE WILL PUT 10 ON YOU. 100 % STOCK ISR VS THE JMINOR WIFES SLED lol!!!!! THATS THE DEFFERECE. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

Are you going to tell me your whole exhaust system on your 95 is stock???!!!!!! OK THEN.
Mind if I have a look...

WELL IF THERE IS A MOD FOR THE STOCK TWINS, PLEASE POST IT. YOUR MORE THAN WELCOME TO OPEN MY HOOD JOSH. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[Skinner]

If Yamaha made a sled out of beer cans it would be fast too..!!!

I know of an SRX thats made from beer cans that I would love to stage next to that F-7

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

AND WELL YOUR AT IT. I,LL SEE IF I CAN HAVE SCALES AT JACOBEYS TO WEIGH THE F-7 VS MY 95. !! 3:16 (yammie tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

I know of an SRX thats made from beer cans that I would love to stage next to that F-7
YA DAVE, I BET !!! 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

Again I ask you, could you not run a timing key on a stock srx in the stock class and if the srx was an efi would you not be allowed the same adjustments that the f7 is allowed? And what is your point with me running my factory stock f7 against the intimidator??? Are you telling me that a factory stock srx would run with all the srx's that ran stock class in sanctioned events???? YEAH RIGHT!!!

[jminor]

My f7 will not run grass and is not being built to "Dominate" Its a trail sled but it will still give you a handful on your srx I'm sure..

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

Again I ask you, could you not run a timing key on a stock srx in the stock class and if the srx was an efi would you not be allowed the same adjustments that the f7 is allowed? And what is your point with me running my factory stock f7 against the intimidator??? Are you telling me that a factory stock srx would run with all the srx's that ran stock class in sanctioned events???? YEAH RIGHT!!!
JOSH, GO POST OVER TO TY TO ALLAN. I NEVER EVER HEARD OF A TIMING KEY CHANGE ON THE SRX UNDER THE STOCK RPM RANGE OF 8500. OR IF THERE WAS A RACE ECU AVAILABLE. THE SRX WAS NOT EFI, AGAIN ASK ALLAN WHY. I,AM TELLING YOU EXACTLY WHAT YA POSTED. NO A EVERYDAY SRX WON,T RUN WITH A ISR ONE. AND YOUR F-7 WON,T RUN WITH A ISR ONE. THAT IS MY POINT !!!!!!!! WHAT I AM TELLING YOU IS THE ISR PRERPED F-7 OBSLETED EVERYTHING ELSE. WHAT YA DOUBTING, LOOK AT THE RESULTS. INCLUDEING THE SRX. WHAT DON,T YOU UNDERSTAND. YOU HAD EVERY CHANCE TO DEBATE THIS WITH MARK AND I AFEW WEEKS AGO, THERE WAS NOT A CERTAIN DISCUSSION. AND YOU AGREED . 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

JOSH, GO POST OVER TO TY TO ALLAN. I NEVER EVER HEARD OF A TIMING KEY CHANGE ON THE SRX UNDER THE STOCK RPM RANGE OF 8500. OR IF THERE WAS A RACE ECU AVAILABLE. THE SRX WAS NOT EFI, AGAIN ASK ALLAN WHY. I,AM TELLING YOU EXACTLY WHAT YA POSTED. NO A EVERYDAY SRX WON,T RUN WITH A ISR ONE. AND YOUR F-7 WON,T RUN WITH A ISR ONE. THAT IS MY POINT !!!!!!!! WHAT I AM TELLING YOU IS THE ISR PRERPED F-7 OBSLETED EVERYTHING ELSE. WHAT YA DOUBTING, LOOK AT THE RESULTS. INCLUDEING THE SRX. WHAT DON,T YOU UNDERSTAND. YOU HAD EVERY CHANCE TO DEBATE THIS WITH MARK AND I AFEW WEEKS AGO, THERE WAS NOT A CERTAIN DISCUSSION. AND YOU AGREED . 3:16 (yammie tony)

We are obviously on the same page here:
An everyday srx won't run with an isr prepped srx
An everyday F7 won't run with an isr prepped F7
You are right about that, both the srx and the f7 are able to be modded to an extent and remain in stock class but there are different options when you have efi. Again is it cats fault they have efi and yammi is carbed??? Or for that matter that the timing key did not make an improvement under 8500??? You could run one if you wanted is my point.

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

My f7 will not run grass and is not being built to "Dominate" Its a trail sled but it will still give you a handful on your srx I'm sure..
I WELCOME IT. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

We are obviously on the same page here:
An everyday srx won't run with an isr prepped srx
An everyday F7 won't run with an isr prepped F7
You are right about that, both the srx and the f7 are able to be modded to an extent and remain in stock class but there are different options when you have efi. Again is it cats fault they have efi and yammi is carbed??? Or for that matter that the timing key did not make an improvement under 8500??? You could run one if you wanted is my point.
THEY CAN,T BEAT THE F-7. EITHER COULD THE MACH Z, THE VMAX 4, THE TUNDERCAT, THE XCR , THE STORM, THE RX-1, THE APPEX GT, WHATEVER. THATS WHY GRASSDRAGS ARE F-7 NATIONALS. GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[Srxspec]

In ISR stock racing it is legal to adjust the timing with a timing key up to 4*. It is also legal to have ECU's or CDI's remapped with different fuel and ignition timing maps. Yamaha chose not to make a race CDI for the SRX, that was their choice. Last race of the season with 01 SRX weighing 743 lbs with the driver we ran 5.43 ET and took 2nd place in 700 stock to Ron Gilland, one of the fastest F7's around. Every manufacturer has had a sled that has dominated a certain set of classes or class for an extent of time.

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

In ISR stock racing it is legal to adjust the timing with a timing key up to 4*. It is also legal to have ECU's or CDI's remapped with different fuel and ignition timing maps. Yamaha chose not to make a race CDI for the SRX, that was their choice. Last race of the season with 01 SRX weighing 743 lbs with the driver we ran 5.43 ET and took 2nd place in 700 stock to Ron Gilland, one of the fastest F7's around. Every manufacturer has had a sled that has dominated a certain set of classes or class for an extent of time.
THANK YOU ALLAN. GLAD YOU STOPED IN. WHAT WAS THE WEIGHT OF THE F-7 WITH DRIVER. ALSO WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE THE HP DEFFERECE WAS ? LET ME NOTE:
5.43 ON THAT SRX( WOW) AND STILL WAS SECOND. AGAIN, I REST MY CASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3:16 (yammie tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

LAST POST ON THIS SUBJECT. I MUST CLARIFY THIS IS GRASS RACE MODE ONLY. THE DEFFERECE BETWEEN ISR RACE PREPED F-7,s AND TRAIL SNOW RIDERS IS NIGHT AND DAY AND ABOUT 12 HORSE. I DON,T MAKE THE RULES. IT IS STATED BY SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS THESE ITEMS ARE LEGAL AND TOTALLY EXPLAINS THEIR DOMINACE. DO I AGREE WITH IT. NO I DON,T. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

IS IT THE FAULT OF THE F7 THAT IT MAKES MORE GAINS WITH WHAT IS LEAGALLY ALLOWED THAN SAY AN SRX MAKES WITH THE SAME OPTIONS??

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

We are obviously on the same page here:
An everyday srx won't run with an isr prepped srx
An everyday F7 won't run with an isr prepped F7
You are right about that, both the srx and the f7 are able to be modded to an extent and remain in stock class but there are different options when you have efi. Again is it cats fault they have efi and yammi is carbed??? Or for that matter that the timing key did not make an improvement under 8500??? You could run one if you wanted is my point.
JOSH, YOU AND I ARE NEVER ON THE SAME PAGE. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

IS IT THE FAULT OF THE F7 THAT IT MAKES MORE GAINS WITH WHAT IS LEAGALLY ALLOWED THAN SAY AN SRX MAKES WITH THE SAME OPTIONS??
GIVE IT UP !!!!!!!!! ENJOY YOUR F-7. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

IS IT THE FAULT OF THE F7 THAT IT MAKES MORE GAINS WITH WHAT IS LEAGALLY ALLOWED THAN SAY AN SRX MAKES WITH THE SAME OPTIONS??
DO ME A FAVOR, FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO ARGUE WITH. SEE THIS DOSE NOT TAKE ROCKET SCIENCE WHAT YOU TRYED TO DO HERE. NICE TRY JOSH CRUDELY TRYING TO COMPARE WHAT I HAVE DONE TO MY 95 TO WHATS DONE TO A ISR F-7. NOT EVEN CLOSE. GUESS WERE GETTING CLOSER TO NOVEMBER. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

actually I wasn't comparing the 2, did'nt even look at it that way. box stock for box stock the srx and vmax4 both beat the f7 in my opinion, and I have owned all 3. The question is WHO THE HELL OTHER THAN YOU IS TALKING ABOUT RACING A "BOX STOCK" SLED, EVEN IN STOCK CLASS???!!!!! Name someone who does that and I'll show you the guy that just washed the dust off his sled, pulled it out of the corner and headed to a cosdra event to "be the man" and got his ass handed to him. You say the F7 is cheating, thats your opinion, the only thing we talked about is how they dominate and the reason I switched to an F7. 1-my wife almost killed herself on it by me narrowly avoiding running her over when she barrel rolled off it, and 2- the fact that I can not get sold on a 4 stroke sled, bleeding blue as much as I do, I tried it and it isn't for me, so where does that leave me??? I never should have sold my srx, I'll give you that. Guess I gotta get a cat head tatooed on my other arm across from the tuning fork on my right forearm eh??

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

actually I wasn't comparing the 2, did'nt even look at it that way. box stock for box stock the srx and vmax4 both beat the f7 in my opinion, and I have owned all 3. The question is WHO THE HELL OTHER THAN YOU IS TALKING ABOUT RACING A "BOX STOCK" SLED, EVEN IN STOCK CLASS???!!!!! Name someone who does that and I'll show you the guy that just washed the dust off his sled, pulled it out of the corner and headed to a cosdra event to "be the man" and got his ass handed to him. You say the F7 is cheating, thats your opinion, the only thing we talked about is how they dominate and the reason I switched to an F7. 1-my wife almost killed herself on it by me narrowly avoiding running her over when she barrel rolled off it, and 2- the fact that I can not get sold on a 4 stroke sled, bleeding blue as much as I do, I tried it and it isn't for me, so where does that leave me??? I never should have sold my srx, I'll give you that. Guess I gotta get a cat head tatooed on my other arm across from the tuning fork on my right forearm eh??
I,LL GIVE YA MAYBE THE SRX, YOU WOULD BET A BOX STOCK 92 VMAX 4 WOULD TAKE A F-7 ? I WON,T!! NOT EVEN A 800 TAKES THE F-7. BOX STOCK FOR BOX STOCK!! JUST TWO MUCH WEIGHT DEFFERCE.YOU POSTED ITS NOT THE F-7 FAULT. YOUR RIGHT ITS NOT. AND NOBODY RUNNING A '' STOCK '' SLED ( except me). BUT FACT YOU SEEM TO IGNORE IS STOCK IN RACING IS ABOUT 10 SLED LENGTHS FASTER THAN STOCK IN EVERYDAY SNOW SLEDS. AND THE F-7 IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE. !! 3:16 (yammie tony)
AND I WANT TO ADD I POSTED THREE TIMES TO YOU NOT TO SELL YOUR SRX. DID I NOT !!!!!!!!!!

[jminor]

I,LL GIVE YA MAYBE THE SRX, YOU WOULD BET A BOX STOCK 92 VMAX 4 WOULD TAKE A F-7 ? I WON,T!! NOT EVEN A 800 TAKES THE F-7. BOX STOCK FOR BOX STOCK!! JUST TWO MUCH WEIGHT DEFFERCE.YOU POSTED ITS NOT THE F-7 FAULT. YOUR RIGHT ITS NOT. AND NOBODY RUNNING A '' STOCK '' SLED ( except me). BUT FACT YOU SEEM TO IGNORE IS STOCK IN RACING IS ABOUT 10 SLED LENGTHS FASTER THAN STOCK IN EVERYDAY SNOW SLEDS. AND THE F-7 IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE. !! 3:16 (yammie tony)
AND I WANT TO ADD I POSTED THREE TIMES TO YOU NOT TO SELL YOUR SRX. DID I NOT !!!!!!!!!!

-have only owned 800 vmax4's we are'nt talking 750's here and I'm also talking in long pulls the srx and max4 would beat it stock for stock. Nobody but you running a stock sled eh??? Here we go again, time for me to move this to the bs forum because its going to start flying now!! You can jet your vmax, put a key in it, shave the heads, lift the cylinders, gear it, clutch it and still call it stock but an efi f7 can't lean itself down the only way possible, by re-mapping and not be called a cheater by you!!!!! Looks to me like the pot calling the kettle black there!

And yes you did tell me to keep my srx and you are always right so I don't know what I was thinking...LOL!!!! For what its worth it is still my all time favourite sled of any I have owned.

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

-have only owned 800 vmax4's we are'nt talking 750's here and I'm also talking in long pulls the srx and max4 would beat it stock for stock. Nobody but you running a stock sled eh??? Here we go again, time for me to move this to the bs forum because its going to start flying now!! You can jet your vmax, put a key in it, shave the heads, lift the cylinders, gear it, clutch it and still call it stock but an efi f7 can't lean itself down the only way possible, by re-mapping and not be called a cheater by you!!!!! Looks to me like the pot calling the kettle black there!

And yes you did tell me to keep my srx and you are always right so I don't know what I was thinking...LOL!!!! For what its worth it is still my all time favourite sled of any I have owned.
GUESS I AM ALWAYS WRONG. ARN,T YOU COMPAREING MY 95 TO THE F-7 RIGHT HERE. HEY, SHURE I CAN DO ALL THOSE THINGS, STILL AIN,T GONNE RUN A 5.43!! HEY I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOUR NOT. HEY JOSH, HOW COME WE NEVER DEBATE ANY IF THIS IN PERSON. MATTER OF FACT, YOU WERE RATHER MEAK. ON HERE YOU POUND YOUR CHEST PRETTY HARD. FACE TO FACE, YOU HAND OUT BURGERS. JUST WONDERING!!!!! 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

I'm meak when I meet you and pound my chest on here!!! Suppose I should have came up to you and starting arguing with you, but wait...you were too busy yelling at some other guy from the grassfire race on how he screwed you. Dude give me a break, I'm having a conversation here and having some fun, I'm not trying to beat my chest or be meak in your presence oh great yammiegod. I thought we'd save all the bs for the "bs forum" and have a good time. I guess in the presence of a true "yammie-god" I came off meak, but hey who would'nt??

Mark, I still like you..

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

-have only owned 800 vmax4's we are'nt talking 750's here and I'm also talking in long pulls the srx and max4 would beat it stock for stock. Nobody but you running a stock sled eh??? Here we go again, time for me to move this to the bs forum because its going to start flying now!! You can jet your vmax, put a key in it, shave the heads, lift the cylinders, gear it, clutch it and still call it stock but an efi f7 can't lean itself down the only way possible, by re-mapping and not be called a cheater by you!!!!! Looks to me like the pot calling the kettle black there!

And yes you did tell me to keep my srx and you are always right so I don't know what I was thinking...LOL!!!! For what its worth it is still my all time favourite sled of any I have owned. STOCK F-7 DOSE NOT COME WITH REMAPED ECU, TIMING KEYS AND PIPE MODS. END OF STORIE. DON,T YOU EVER GET TIRED OF BEING WRONG !! ALLAN COULD NOT BEAT ONE RUNNING A 5.43!! WHAT IS UP WITH YOU !!!!!! ARE YOU IN YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD. !! 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

and I guess I'm beating my chest for asking you how all those changes still allows you to call your sled stock eh???? Explain it. You corner me with Mark and say "ask Mark, he'll tell you its stock" Wow, that holds alot of weight (no offense Mark)

[jminor]

STOCK F-7 DOSE NOT COME WITH REMAPED ECU, TIMING KEYS AND PIPE MODS. END OF STORIE. DON,T YOU EVER GET TIRED OF BEING WRONG !! ALLAN COULD NOT BEAT ONE RUNNING A 5.43!! WHAT IS UP WITH YOU !!!!!! ARE YOU IN YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD. !! 3:16 (yammie tony)

stock vmax4 does not come with raised cylinders, shaved heads, jetted to the ragged edge and timing key, END OF STORY!!! EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE!!! WHAT I SAID IS IT IS STILL ELIGIBLE FOR STOCK CLASS, READ THE POSTS!!!!

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

I'm meak when I meet you and pound my chest on here!!! Suppose I should have came up to you and starting arguing with you, but wait...you were too busy yelling at some other guy from the grassfire race on how he screwed you. Dude give me a break, I'm having a conversation here and having some fun, I'm not trying to beat my chest or be meak in your presence oh great yammiegod. I thought we'd save all the bs for the "bs forum" and have a good time. I guess in the presence of a true "yammie-god" I came off meak, but hey who would'nt??

Mark, I still like you..
GRASSFIRE RACE, WHEN WAS THAT!! THAT ENDED IN 2002. THIS IS 2007 !!!! WHAT A BLOWHARD. HEY GUESS I WAS ARGUEING ABOUT A RACE THAT ENDED 5 YEARS AGO !!! TRY SHAWNEE!!! HEY JOSH, MARK AND I WERE GONNA BEAT YOUR BRAINS IN. YOU KNEW IT AND PLAYED NICE GUY. YOU NEVER DISPUTED ANYTHING I SAID OR HE SAID THAT DAY. MATTER OF FACT, THE ARGUMEMT WAS OVER OUTLAW VS SANTION AT SHAWNEE. WHICH AGAIN YOU AGREED WITH US. THAN YOU HANDED OUT BURGERS AND LEFT. !! 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

Damn I wish I would have known you were going to beat my brains in, I could have put the years of krav maga training to use (google it if you don't know what it is) THIS IS THE THANKS I GET FOR EXTENDING AN OLIVE BRANCH?? And I'm the chest beater..real classy.

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

stock vmax4 does not come with raised cylinders, shaved heads, jetted to the ragged edge and timing key, END OF STORY!!! EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE!!! WHAT I SAID IS IT IS STILL ELIGIBLE FOR STOCK CLASS, READ THE POSTS!!!! INTRESTING THOUGHT THIS WAS NOT ABOUT MY 95. JOSH, ARE YOU CHANGEING YOUR TUNE AGAIN !!!!!!!!! 3:16 (yammie tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

Damn I wish I would have known you were going to beat my brains in, I could have put the years of krav maga training to use (google it if you don't know what it is) THIS IS THE THANKS I GET FOR EXTENDING AN OLIVE BRANCH?? And I'm the chest beater..real classy.
YOU KNEW IT, THATS WHY YOU PLAYED NICE GUY. WE LOVE ALL THE COUNTLESS DUMP STATEMENTS YOU CONTIUNE TO MAKE. BUT HELL YOU BROUGHT BURGERS. WE LOVE YA NOW. !!! lol. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

Your 95 is the most advertised "stock" race sled going. You are the one claiming the f7's as cheaters, why would I not use that sled as an example??Lets see an intelligent response to that one, or are you going to claim again how you held yourself back from beating my head in again...

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

HEY JOSH, WHY DIDN,T YOU CALL US CHEATERS TO OUR FACES THAT DAY. JUST WONDERING. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

YOU KNEW IT, THATS WHY YOU PLAYED NICE GUY. WE LOVE ALL THE COUNTLESS DUMP STATEMENTS YOU CONTIUNE TO MAKE. BUT HELL YOU BROUGHT BURGERS. WE LOVE YA NOW. !!! lol. 3:16 (yammie tony)

I was totally unprepared too, I could'nt find a single retired gm worker that wanted to spar with me!!! Ironically one of the instructors\sparring partners is a 6'3" gm worker with a black belt, I've never had alot of luck against him!!

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

Your 95 is the most advertised "stock" race sled going. You are the one claiming the f7's as cheaters, why would I not use that sled as an example??Lets see an intelligent response to that one, or are you going to claim again how you held yourself back from beating my head in again...
AND I WILL TELL YA NEXT TIME I SEE YA THE F-7 IS THE BIGGEST CHEATER SLED EVER BUILT. END OF STORIE. MATTER OF FACT , I THINK I DID TELL YA THAT AND YOU AGREED. lol!!!!!!!!! 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

HEY JOSH, WHY DIDN,T YOU CALL US CHEATERS TO OUR FACES THAT DAY. JUST WONDERING. 3:16 (yammie tony)

because I'm not an asshole. You are'nt cheating when you are running outlaw and I don't want or need to know all your secrets. End of story. I know you can respect that.

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

I was totally unprepared too, I could'nt find a single retired gm worker that wanted to spar with me!!! Ironically one of the instructors\sparring partners is a 6'3" gm worker with a black belt, I've never had alot of luck against him!!
NO WE WANTED TO BEAT YOU WITH YOUR OWN CRAP. YOUR THREW THE DOGS BURGERS. VERY SMART, BUT IT WON,T WORK NEXT TIME. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

because I'm not an asshole. You are'nt cheating when you are running outlaw and I don't want or need to know all your secrets. End of story. I know you can respect that.
YOU RUN OUTLAW JUST LIKE US. AND AGAIN THE GUY I RACED WITH WHO WOULD NOT EVER START SHIT TOLD YOU WHERE WE HAVE PASSED TECH !!!!!! YOU WANTED NO PART OF IT BURGER MAN !! 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

OK I'll give you this, you were able to pass tech for stock class with your sled, with the cylinders lifted, heads shaved, etc. you did it within the allowable tolerances. So, how can an F7 pass tech and be a cheater when it makes changes?? Are you still going to say yours is box stock?? Thats BS! You cry how they are'nt stock, you post mods to your stock sled and how it passes tech in stock class, and thats OK????? Where is the difference??? And as a side-note I am not the all mighty defender of the F7 in isr racing terms, I don't care. I own one that is a trail sled\weekend warrior, thats it. If I was going to race a cat it would be a triple cat for sure.

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

OK I'll give you this, you were able to pass tech for stock class with your sled, with the cylinders lifted, heads shaved, etc. you did it within the allowable tolerances. So, how can an F7 pass tech and be a cheater when it makes changes?? Are you still going to say yours is box stock?? Thats BS! You cry how they are'nt stock, you post mods to your stock sled and how it passes tech in stock class, and thats OK????? Where is the difference??? And as a side-note I am not the all mighty defender of the F7 in isr racing terms, I don't care. I own one that is a trail sled\weekend warrior, thats it. If I was going to race a cat it would be a triple cat for sure.
UNTIL YOU CAN TAKE ANY BRAND OR CC AND RUN BETTER THAN A 5.43 THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME. YOUR A WASTE OF TIME. ALLAN POSTED THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO THE CAT THAT WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE YAMAHA. THE CAT IS CONSIDERABLY LIGHTER THAN ANY OTHER SLED PER CC. GUESS THE ALL MIGHTY YAMMIE GOD DON,T KNOW WHAT THE HELL HE IS TALKING ABOUT. I HAVE NO MODS DONE TO MY 95. IT PASSES JUST LIKE THOSE HONEST F-7,s THAT ARE 10 TIMES FASTER THAN SNOW ONES. YET TODAY YOU ACCUSE ME OF HAVEING PIPE MOD, BUT THAN YOU POST YOU NEVER WERE COMPAREING WHAT I DID TO THE F-7. WELL THAN WHATS ALL THIS. I WHISH YOU WOULD OF CALLED US CHEATERS AT THAT SHOW. 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

UNTIL YOU CAN TAKE ANY BRAND OR CC AND RUN BETTER THAN A 5.43 THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME. YOUR A WASTE OF TIME. ALLAN POSTED THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO THE CAT THAT WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE YAMAHA. THE CAT IS CONSIDERABLY LIGHTER THAN ANY OTHER SLED PER CC. GUESS THE ALL MIGHT YAMMIE GOD DON,T KNOW WHAT THE HELL HE IS TALKING ABOUT. I HAVE NO MODS DONE TO MY 95. IT PASSES JUST LIKE THOSE HONEST F-7,s THAT ARE 10 TIMES FASTER THAN SNOW ONES. YET TODAY YOU ACCUSE ME OF HAVEING PIPE MOD, BUT THAN YOU POST YOU NEVER SEE COMPAREING WHAT I DID TO THE F-7. WELL THAN WHATS ALL THIS. I WHISH YOU WOULD OF CALLED US CHEATERS AT THAT SHOW. 3:16 (yammie tony)

SO NOW THAT IT IS RUNNING A 5.43 IN STOCK AND NO OTHER BRAND IS DOING THAT ITS CHEATING?????? AND I'M A WASTE OF TIME??!!! READ WHAT ALLEN SAID, YAMAHA CHOSE NOT TO DO IT, THAT IS THEIR DECISION!!SO NOW CAT IS CHEATING BECAUSE OF IT!! THE CAT IS LIGHTER, GUESS THATS CHEATING TOO! "I HAVE NO MODS DONE TO MY 95" SO ALL THE TALK OF CYLINDERS LIFTED AND HEADS SHAVED BY YOU IN THE PAST IS BULLSH*T?? ALSO IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN THAT SLED HAD A TIMING KEY IN IT ON THE FADED DYNO-TECH SHEETS.. AND I KNOW THAT EXHAUST IS MODDED, AND I NEVER SAID THE PIPES, GO AHEAD AND DENY IT ALL YOU WANT. I GUESS SINCE THE F7 IS NOT 643 LBS AND THE OLD IRON IS BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER, THEY MUST BE CHEATING, GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH ADVANCING TECHNOLIGY. SIMPLE QUESTION, HOW DO YOU LEAN DOWN AN EFI TO COMPETE WITH A CARBURATED SLED THATS LEANED DOWN FOR SUMMER IF YOU CAN'T CHANGE JETS ON EFI?????? YOU SAY THAT BY RUNNING PSI'S FAT YOU GAIN NO HORSE, BUT BY RUNNING THEM JETTED PROPERLY YOU CAN GAIN 20, AND NOW A FUEL CONTROLLER ON AN EFI IS CHEATING?? JUST BECAUSE THE SRX MADE NO GAINS ON AN 8350 MOTOR FROM A PERFORMANCE CDI AND KEY DOES'NT MEAN THE OPTION WAS'NT THERE.YOU ARE TOO MUCH!! OH AND DON'T TELL ME THOSE BURGERS PIPED YOU DOWN EITHER, YOU COULD HAVE CALLED ME OUT BUT YOU WERE TOO BUSY FALLING IN LOVE WITH THE 800R HOPING THAT IT WILL BE THE SLED THAT BURIES THE F7!!

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

SO NOW THAT IT IS RUNNING A 5.43 IN STOCK AND NO OTHER BRAND IS DOING THAT ITS CHEATING?????? AND I'M A WASTE OF TIME??!!! READ WHAT ALLEN SAID, YAMAHA CHOSE NOT TO DO IT, THAT IS THEIR DECISION!!SO NOW CAT IS CHEATING BECAUSE OF IT!! THE CAT IS LIGHTER, GUESS THATS CHEATING TOO! "I HAVE NO MODS DONE TO MY 95" SO ALL THE TALK OF CYLINDERS LIFTED AND HEADS SHAVED BY YOU IN THE PAST IS BULLSH*T?? ALSO IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN THAT SLED HAD A TIMING KEY IN IT ON THE FADED DYNO-TECH SHEETS.. AND I KNOW THAT EXHAUST IS MODDED, AND I NEVER SAID THE PIPES, GO AHEAD AND DENY IT ALL YOU WANT. I GUESS SINCE THE F7 IS NOT 643 LBS AND THE OLD IRON IS BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER, THEY MUST BE CHEATING, GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH ADVANCING TECHNOLIGY. SIMPLE QUESTION, HOW DO YOU LEAN DOWN AN EFI TO COMPETE WITH A CARBURATED SLED THATS LEANED DOWN FOR SUMMER IF YOU CAN'T CHANGE JETS ON EFI?????? YOU SAY THAT BY RUNNING PSI'S FAT YOU GAIN NO HORSE, BUT BY RUNNING THEM JETTED PROPERLY YOU CAN GAIN 20, AND NOW A FUEL CONTROLLER ON AN EFI IS CHEATING?? JUST BECAUSE THE SRX MADE NO GAINS ON AN 8350 MOTOR FROM A PERFORMANCE CDI AND KEY DOES'NT MEAN THE OPTION WAS'NT THERE.YOU ARE TOO MUCH!! OH AND DON'T TELL ME THOSE BURGERS PIPED YOU DOWN EITHER, YOU COULD HAVE CALLED ME OUT BUT YOU WERE TOO BUSY FALLING IN LOVE WITH THE 800R HOPING THAT IT WILL BE THE SLED THAT BURIES THE F7!!
WHAT EVER YOU SAY JMINOR LEAGUES !!!!!!!! YOU THE MAN. I,LL SAY IT AGAIN. WHISH YOU WOULD OF TALKED THIS BIG TO MY FACE. INSTEAD YOU HANDED OUT BURGERS, !!!!! JUST FOR THE RECORED. HE HAD EVERY CHANCE TO CALL ME OUT TO MINE AND MARKS FACE. INSTEAD HE CHOOSE TO SIT THERE AND AGREE WITH EVERYTHING WE SAID. THATS THE STORIE JMINOR LEAGUES !!!!!!!!! SEE YA ! 3:16 (yammie tony)

[jminor]

whatever buddy, thats the way you want to be, so be it.