Who wins? [Archive] - Vmax-4 Forums

vmax4sean

11-21-2005, 05:44 AM

The 2 sleds stock, are what, 5 HP difference, You get a little more power from the pipes, and it depends how it's geared. Are they geared the same?

VMAX4.. The rx-1's look cool, but looks aren't everything

vmax4rules

11-21-2005, 08:11 AM

V4 all the way.

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

11-21-2005, 10:06 AM

YOUR OFF BY A MILE. 05 RX-1 IS 137 hp. 97 800 VMAX 4 IS 150 hp STOCK. SECOND QUADS ARE ONLY GOOD FOR 5 HORSE, WHAT DYNO SHEET YOU READING ? TRY 14-22 hp. DEPENDING ON WHAT BRAND. VMAX IN A LAUGHER WINS THIS, ( but one intanable, 05 rx-1 had deep lug track 1.25 lug!! be careful if ya race in deep snow, although he will never hold ya off ) 3:16 (tony)

jminor

11-21-2005, 10:17 AM

I smelled chef Yammiegod stirring the pot right from the get go on this one!! I've got both of those exact machines so you had to know that you'd get a rise out of me. My vote is for the Vmax for sure. The only way my Rx1 is going to lose to my Vmax is if I don't get the Vmax set up right which would be my fault not the sleds! I also have a 02 srx which I think the RX1 WILL BEAT! Sounds like theres 2 chefs in the kitchen because I know you don't agree Tony!!!

jminor

11-21-2005, 10:21 AM

I just realized 3:16 did'nt start this post but I'm leaving my previous post because I want the srx reaction!

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

11-21-2005, 11:01 AM

DUDE, YOUR 02 SRX WILL BEAT THE 05 RX-1 WORSE THAN THE VMAX 800 WILL. DUDE LOOK, ENJOY THE 4 STROKE FOR WHAT IT IS, A GREAT TRAIL RIDER WITH A AWSOME MOTOR AND A GREAT RIDE. THEY CAN,T BEAT SRX,s OR VMAX 4,s !! TELL YA WHAT !! LETS PUT OUR MINDS AS IS. WE LIVE PRETTY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. IF YOUR 4 STROKE TAKES YOUR 02 SRX, AND YOU SET-UP THE 4 STROKE THE BEST YOU CAN, I,LL RACE YA WITH MY 02 SRX. 1/2 MILE SNO-DRAGS.!! WHAT YA SAY !! IT WON,T HAPPEN BECAUSE YOUR 02 WILL WIN THIS !! 3:16 (tony)

twistedmax4

11-21-2005, 01:34 PM

How about the new 150hp Genisis motor in the new Apex series 4 strokes....stir, stir, stir:bottom:

Master of Faster

11-21-2005, 01:48 PM

I gotta go with the Vmax-4 as well, only thing that might change that would be snow conditions. If there isn't good traction the Vmax-4 will have to makeup alot of distance out of the hole, because the 05 RX's will hook hard.

I think everybody knows where I stand on RX-1 vs. SRX, lol. :no_bashin

Ike

11-21-2005, 02:27 PM

I think everybody knows where I stand on RX-1 vs. SRX, lol. :no_bashin

SRX all the way ? :frech11: Stir stir.... I know -05 RX is a beast, but so is the Snow Race Xperimental. That should be close, atleast in my book.

Ike

Master of Faster

11-21-2005, 02:41 PM

lol, too bad about the recent loss of info. I remember a certain 4+ page post awhile ago that explained mine, and YammieGod's and a few others opinions in great detail.

Basically it was me vs. everybody else :frech32:

vmax4sean

11-21-2005, 02:42 PM

OO.. Really. Thats more power than I though

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

11-21-2005, 05:36 PM

MASTER I AGREE. ONE THING REMEBER YOUR RACING TODAY,s TECHNOLOGY WHICH IE HUGE. I ALSO BELIEVE AND I STATED THIS THE RX-1 WILL LAUNCH HARD IN ANY KIND OF SNOW CONDITIONS AND THE VMAX 4 WILL HAVE TO PLAY CATCH-UP UNLESS VMAX 4 HAS NEWER TRACK ON. NOW WITH ALL THIS SAID, THE 150 H.P. COULD BE A HOLE DEFFERENT STORIE. !! I BELIEVE THESE NEW YAMAHA,s WILL REALLY RUN HARD. MOST SAY STOCK THEY RUN LIKE A WELL SET-UP RX-1. !! WE WILL SEE. !! 3:16 (tony)

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

11-21-2005, 05:38 PM

THAT IS THE APEXX GT WITH 150 h.p. !! 3:16 (tony)

Master of Faster

11-21-2005, 05:43 PM

I'm bein told that the Apex's are showin about 145 on the dyno as compared to the RX's 136 or so. About 9 more HP. Another thing to keep in mind is that the Apex's are geared down more at the primary than the RX's. It will be interesting to see how that effects things, I don't believe that the Apex's are any lighter than the 05 RX's were, but I have heard, like you said, that stock Apex runs right with a well setup RX-1.

Can't wait til the snow flies!

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

11-21-2005, 05:55 PM

THAT WILL TELL THE TALE ONCE THE SNOW HITS. !! 3:16 (tony)

jminor

11-21-2005, 11:01 PM

I might be playing with fire here but if I don't sell my srx in the next little bit how about srx V srx 3:16? I am pretty pleased with my srx's performance and it would be fun to see. It would'nt be as much fun with the new 4 stroke since I know its already faster.... LOL!

twistedmax4

11-22-2005, 07:15 AM

Yammiegod-or anyone else who wants to, Come check out the Demo rides schedule and come see me and you'll be able to ride the new sleds. Myself and 3 other lucky guys from NY got hired by Yamaha for this years Demo ride event crews. We will be holding demos all over NY for the following season. The 1st show we have is in Old forge for the SnoDeo 9-11 December and then we go to Redfield for the following weekend. I have a complete schedule of weekends with locations if anyone is interested. I have ridden all the new 150 and 120 class sleds and they all rock compaired to the RX1's. I got to go to Pleasent Praire Wi. and view the 07's too but can't comment as I signed a confidentual materials form. I have all the factory specs on the new models if anyone needs them....looking forward to seeing some of you this winter....mike:xmas-smil

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

11-22-2005, 09:18 AM

MIKE, THANK YOU. WOULD LOVE TO TAKE YA UP ON THAT SINSE I LIVE NEW YORK. I MIGHT BE UP IN OLD FORGE FOR SNOEDO WEEKEND. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOUR SCHEDULE TO A;SO SEE IF YOU WILL BE ANYWHERE IN WESTERN N.Y. !! JMINOR, I THINK THAT WOULD BE COOL. ALWAYS COOL TO COMPARE SLED FOR SLED COMPARISON. LET ME KNOW IF YA KEEP YOUR SRX. !! 3:16 (tony)

twistedmax4

11-22-2005, 10:41 AM

Yammiegod you live in the town I work in; Web---, NY if I remember correctly. I used to live in Marion but moved out to Geneva in October. I'll post a schedule of Yammafest Demo events after Thanksgiving.:i_need_sn

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

11-22-2005, 10:46 AM

MIKE YES NOW I REMEBER. YOU GUYS GONNA BE ANYWHERE CLOSE BY!! PLEASE POST SCHEDULE. !!!!! 3:16 (tony)

jminor

11-22-2005, 11:32 AM

Can I come to take a picture of Tony on the Apex?? LOL!! Those 4 strokes may drag you over to them kicking and screaming yet! As for the srx race 3:16 I put mine in the auto trader so it probably will sell but mine was a legitimate 117-118 in 2000' on glare ice. I figure I had an improvement of 3-4 mph over stock which is pretty good for those machines seeing as how they come out of the box so well setup.

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

11-22-2005, 11:48 AM

Skinner

11-22-2005, 12:18 PM

SEE BUD I RUN MY 2002 SRX UNSTUDED. ITS PRETTY MUCH MY ALL-AROUND SNO -DRAGGING, TRAIL RIDER HARASSING, 1/2 STRECH YOUR ARM ROCKET. I HARASS THE REAL WORLD F-7,s WITH THIS SLED. AND PROBLEY THE NEW 4 STROKES. I DO RUN MY 2000 SRX ON THE ICE PUT ONLY IN 660. !! 3:16 (tony)

Hey Tony
Not to change the subject, I had a verbal shoot-out last night with some "CAT" on his F-7. Went to download the pics of your grass drags, got lost in the shuffle. You still have the link to those pics? Would love to print them out for this dude

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

11-22-2005, 01:12 PM

DAVE, WHAT PICTURES. THE ONE DEAN POATED FROM JACOBEYS OR OVER THE YEARS SHOTS. SEE I NEVER HAD ANY LINKS, JUST SEND ORIGINALS TOO DEAN. 3:16 (tony)

Skinner

11-22-2005, 01:51 PM

DAVE, WHAT PICTURES. THE ONE DEAN POATED FROM JACOBEYS OR OVER THE YEARS SHOTS. SEE I NEVER HAD ANY LINKS, JUST SEND ORIGINALS TOO DEAN. 3:16 (tony)

It was around September, you posted: how to send a cat home with his tail between his legs. Yamajeff had all his wonderful input. Lookin for those pictures, mark kick'in the F7s a**. I though we had to click on a link to get the pics to download.

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

11-22-2005, 03:51 PM

OK, THAT I HAVE. GO TOO www.wyomingcountyinternationalspeedway.com ON LEFT SIDE ON MAIN PAGE CLICK ON PHOTOS. THERE WILL BE SECTION CALLED TEST & TUNE. THAT WILL BRING UP ME RACING THAT F-7. !! 3:16 (tony)

Skinner

11-22-2005, 04:12 PM

OK, THAT I HAVE. GO TOO www.wyomingcountyinternationalspeedway.com (http://www.wyomingcountyinternationalspeedway.com) ON LEFT SIDE ON MAIN PAGE CLICK ON PHOTOS. THERE WILL BE SECTION CALLED TEST & TUNE. THAT WILL BRING UP ME RACING THAT F-7. !! 3:16 (tony)

Right on Tony. Thanks

Master of Faster

11-22-2005, 04:17 PM

Worth posting again I think...

http://www.wyomingcountyinternationalspeedway.com/db_DSC00565.jpg

http://www.wyomingcountyinternationalspeedway.com/db_DSC00566.jpg

http://www.wyomingcountyinternationalspeedway.com/db_DSC00568.jpg

jminor

11-22-2005, 04:32 PM

I wish all these cat guys would shut up about the F7's being this huge top end monster because it isn't! Last year my friends 04 F7, 900 miles, studded, perfect conditions, 2000'.....110 mph. Thats it , no more, no less. Thats laughable by an srx's standards. To top it off I met a guy with an 05 snopro, you know the good looking orange and black one (I'll admit it, they're gorgeous IMO) He had the fuel injected with diamond drive and he told me the most he could get on the gun was 102!! I don't even have to make it up that came from the owners mouth, he hated the fox float shocks and was disappointed to say the least in the performance. It did turn alot of heads though, it sure turned mine when I flew by him!!!

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

11-22-2005, 07:56 PM

GUYS, NICE SHOTS OF VMAX 4 RACING THAT F-7. WHO SLED IS THAT ? !! lol 3:16 (tony)

Ike

04-17-2006, 12:45 PM

Just happened to read this topic again. I must say the last pic is in the league of "priceless".

"-Talk big to a Vmax4 owner since you have newer sled
-Be even more bigger mouth and take it to the track
-Been run all over and have your ass handed to you -Priceless"

LOL

Ike

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

04-17-2006, 01:16 PM

THAT GUY COULD NOT WAIT TO RACE MARK AND I THAT DAY. !!! JUST ANOTHER '' PIG '' I BET WAS GOING THROUGH HIS HEAD. OR BETTER YET, I BET HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE HELL HE WAS EVEN RACING !! TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THOSE PICTURES, I BET THERE IS OVER 100 POUNDS DEFFERENCE SITTING THERE ON THAT STARTING LINE. GUYS, CONSIDER HOW INPORTANT PROPER SET-UP IS ON THESE SLEDS. 3:16 (tony)

Ike

04-17-2006, 01:28 PM

Tony, you´re right. Setup is key to victory. After some serious tuning this winter I´ve got my sled in pretty good running condition. Now I need more traction... Better track or studs.

Ike

Skinner

04-17-2006, 04:39 PM

Exciter570

04-19-2006, 12:52 PM

Well, since I started this thread and it's now resurfaced, I'll get it back on topic. Raced that '05 RX1 on several runs back in February and I'll tell ya what, it was a lot closer than I thought it would be. From a dead stop I would take the RX everytime and I'm not sure by how much (RX rider says I got him by only 3-4 sleds, I was out front so I couldn't tell). However, if we raced from a roll of about 10mph, that RX1 would win just about everytime by 1/2-2 sleds. The RX has great hookup with the deep lug ripsaw and has tremendous pull in the midrange all the way through it's top end. When I was first racing that RX and couldn't beat it in every aspect, I was disappointed, but I had to put it in perspective, the V4 is a great drag racing sled, every time we raced from a dead stop I would win due to harder acceleration (a la 3:16's clutch kit!!) and better traction but I couldn't quite keep up in top speed or win a race from a 10mph roll or from a mid range take off.

jminor

04-19-2006, 01:04 PM

What helix are you running and do you still have the 8bu-10's in there?

Ike

04-19-2006, 01:41 PM

Do you have quad pipes? I remember that you have quads?

Midrange is impressive on those 4-strokes, but in my experience top speed is in stock to stock form equal.

Ike

Exciter570

04-19-2006, 02:17 PM

What helix are you running and do you still have the 8bu-10's in there?

I am using the 49-43 helix and a blue primary spring, stock secondary set at 80 degrees twist. Full Shift RPM is about 9000. It's a great kit, smooth power and puts it right to the track. I do still have the 8Bu-10's in there, haven't swapped them out yet. I am running bender quad pipes. They came installed on the sled when I bought it, I'm not sure what jets are in it but I'm assuming that they are what bender called for in their spec sheet. Had major track ratcheting issues this year and had to run the track super tight, will be going with anti-ratchet drivers for next season and a new track/new studs.

jminor

04-19-2006, 02:39 PM

I would get that helix out of there for longer pulls and even test it against the stock helix for a reference. Also as I'm sure 3:16 will tell you, try the 8bu 00's in there. I have that same sled, psi's and I also have that helix and I find it works awesome for short 1000' and under pulls but not for long hauls I'm going to try a lesser finish.Mind you I did'nt have a chance to do extensive testing due to lousy weather.Maybe Tony will weigh in on this.

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

04-19-2006, 03:23 PM

GUYS, CHRIS AND JOSH. FIRST THE 8BU-00 WEIGHTS. ACTUALLY FOR LONG PULLS 1000 F.T. OR BETTER, THE 8BU-10s ARE BETTER. 8BU-00 ARE A GREAT DRAG RACE WEIGHT BECAUSE THEIR ARE VERY AGGRESSIVE, THEY HAVE VERY AGGRESSIVE SHIFT PROFILE AND FOR 500 F.T.- 660 F.T. MAYBE EVEN UP TO 1000 F.T. THEY WILL PULL VERY HARD. 8BU-10,s ARE LIGHTER FOR STARTERS, AND HAVE A SEMI -AGGRESSIVE PROFILE. WHAT THIS ALL MEANS IS ON THOSE LONG LAKE PULLS, YOU DON,T WANT TO FLAT,IN OUT BECAUSE WEIGHTS SHIFTS TOO FAST. NOW HOW DO YA TUNE FOR THIS IS OF CORSE WITH HELIX,s. PRETTY HARD TO BEAT THE RIPSAW TRACK FROM A ROLL ON CHRIS, ESPECIALLY WITH A AGGRESSIVE CLUTCH SET-UP. I WOULD NOT RUN ANY OTHER HELIX BUT THAT 49-43, THAT COMBO IS DEADLY. JOSH YOUR ARE RIGHT THOUGH YOU CAN TRY A LESSER FINISH, TWO THINGS REMEBER DISTANCE YOUR RUNNING AND YOU HAVE TOO TRY THINGS TO SEE WHAT WORKS. 3:16 (tony)

jminor

04-19-2006, 04:06 PM

thats why I say test the straight 41 that came in it against that helix. I tested some heavy hitters with the 49\43 helix and to see which clutch was "controlling" the other clutch we started loading the tip weight to see if there was an effect on the finish rpm's and there was virtually none.I don't know if that makes any sense but thats what we noticed. I have 3 sets of weights sitting on my shelf right now that I would like to compare -8bu-00's which I am presently using, 8bu-10's and stock 98 srx weights. Anyone try those? I figure to properly tune these weights so they run at there optimum and then compare the final results is going to take at least a full day of testing per set 3:16 I'm sure you know this. I may be onto something with those srx weight and then play with the rivots. What does everyone think?

jminor

04-19-2006, 04:18 PM

Also Tony remember last year when we were talking weights for long distance and you were backing the 00's and I was backing the 10's? Well now your backing the 10's and I'm about to take up for the 00's!! Here goes my theory:

The heavier more aggressive 00 for a long pull would make me want to back off the secondary a bit (we're talking hard surface) and have a soft finish like a 41. Let that heavier weight pull a bit more instead of fighting a steep finish. Having said that I have also been told by some people who ran the max's back in the day that the 00's in general do not have enough tip weight thus a "weak" finish in a long pull and they recommend the heavy hitters, don't know will find out for myself some day.

Exciter570

04-19-2006, 04:43 PM

Well, there's a hacksaw track with 192 studs in store for the V4 over the summer and anti ratchet drivers. This should give me better traction and allow me to run the track looser to free up some hp. Planning on trying the 00's next year for comparison sake (Tony I'll be givin ya a call). Other than that, like I said earlier, everytime we ran from a stop, I always won I'm just not sure by how much.

YAMMIEGOD 3:16

04-19-2006, 05:24 PM

JOSH, WHAT I POSTED IN MY LAST POST WAS '' ON PAPER '' !! ANOTHER WORDS, YA THIS SHOULD WORK BETTER THAN THAT !! BUT. MY BUDDIE MARK AND I BUILT A CLUTCH KIT FOR HIS RX-1 WITH 8BU-00 WEIGHTS THAT JUST HAULS. HE LOVES IT. MY 2002 SRX HAS 8BU-00 WEIGHTS, I HAVE RUN THIS UP TO 1/2 MILE. IT NEVER STOPS PULLING. ALL I CAN SAY IS YOU HAVE TOO TEST!!! 3:16 (tony)