GUYS,I,LL BE AT SHOOTOUT. 3:16 (tony)

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

94maxx (MARK) AND MYSELF WILL BE AT THE OLD FORGE N.Y. SHOOTOUT NEXT FRIDAY DEC. 9th. I BELIEVE THIS MIGHT BE BEST SHOOUTOUT IN YEARS BECAUSE OF WEATHER FORECAST. HERE IN N.Y. THEY ARE CALLING FOR COLD AND SNOW RIGHT INTO NEXT 10 DAYS. MY MONEY ON THE APPEX GT IN THE MUSCLE CLASS. ANYBODY FROM HERE GOING !! 3:16 (tony)

[Master of Faster]

Wish it wasn't so far away.

But, rumors floating around TY4stroke that Yamaha's will be in better hands this year, I sure hope so...

[JERSEYJOE]

Tony: I am going to try again to make it. Dean and I talked about it a while ago.. DEAN?????????????

[racer7x]

Dont know yet. going to depend on weather for me.If it snows here I have to work. :(:(

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

I THOUGHT IT DID NOT SNOW IN NJ !! lol 3:16 (tony)

[Ike]

Guys, read this...

Way to go Doo--- http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=20086

HERE IS THE STORY ---

"Saturday, December 03, 2005
DynoTech : Final shootout dyno certification
Friday/ Sat we dyno tested the last sleds, I had a great deal of help from Jim Intimidator Gonyea, Fast Eddy, Dan Tripod Cross, and Nick and Alex to get these done.
We had a huge problem with the SkiDoos. Our Shootout Group (Tim Erikson, John Prusak, George Taylor, Me, and the Shootout dealers) had agreed earlier to allow SkiDoo to send us ECUs for the MachZ and 600SDI that had breakin mode removed. Replacement ECUs for the MachZ and 600SDI came from the Valcourt race shop. This year since the sleds came to me early, prior to the studding party at Big Moose Yam/AC this Sunday (thanks to SW/SG editor Tim Erikson who spent three days here on the road swapping Shootout dealers' sleds with random Northeast dealers' sleds, then handing off the truck to Dave Wells who finished the job) I had plenty of time to hook up fuel flow/ airflow meters and see what we really have. Unfortunately the MachZ made way too much HP--the stock ECU delivered a crisp 106 lb/hr fuel flow at HP peak. The SkiDoo supplied replacement ECU was supposed to only eliminate breakin timing retard but also mysteriously lost 16 lb/ hr fuel flow, 90 lb/ hr created way too much HP, .510 lb/hr BSFC. So computer-savvy Jimmy Cooper of Cooper's Sales and SERVICE in Waterport NY overrode the ECU map with an actual 06 fuel and timing map, back to 106 lb/hr and that is how the MachZ will be run at the shootout. The actual dyno results of the SkiDoo-supplied MachZ ECU vs the truly stock MachZ ECU will appear first (our agreement) in SnowWeek magazine, then on DTR website (with more technical details).
Expecting the worst, we first dyno'd the 600SDI with the stock ECU, Jimmy Cooper installed the "non breakin" ECU from the SkiDoo race shop, and halfway through the first "non breakin" dyno run I had to abort the test--it was so lean HP was much lower than the original ECU dyno run (we watch closely real-time graph of current dyno run vs previous dyno run). The much leaner A/F ratio of the "non breakin" box was possibly causing deto in the 600 or was leaner than max HP A/F ratio. Either way, we aborted at about 7000 RPM, reinstalled the original ECU and that's the way it will run at the Shootout. Once again, test results first in SnowWeek then here in greater detail."



IKe

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

CHEATERS!!!!!!! NOW WHERE DOSE THIS PUT SKIDOO AT THE SHOOUT. IKE, I PERSONALLY KNOW ALL THESE GUYS VERY WELL THAT DID ALL THIS DYNO RESERCH FOR THE SHOOTOUT, IT WILL BE INTRESTING NOW. ! 3:16 (tony)

[Ike]

Tony, remember to post results soon as you get back from the shootout. I want to know how the 4-strokes did against the other 3.

Ike

[JERSEYJOE]

I guess all the rumors are true. The ECU's have a breakin mode that runs the system in a detuned mode until a selected number of hours or miles are recorded. Makes sense that they don't want you to get peak HP out of the box. Cheaters are using " broken in " ECU's for the shootout!!!!!
I hope that Yamaha does the same. Remember what Smokey Yunick said that " If you anit cheatin, you anit winnin."

[Master of Faster]

No way those ECU's were just "broken in" The break in mode does not detune them that significantly, those ECU's were modified performance versions that were trying to be snuck in!!!

Cheaters!!!

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

MASTER , AS USUAL, YOUR DEAD ON !! GUYS, JUST GOT OFF PHONE WITH INTIMIDATOR. AS YOU WOULD EXPECT EVERYTHING IS IN A SECRET MODE RIGHT NOW AND HE REALLY COULD NOT TALK. HE DID TELL ME APPEX WAS VERY , VERY INPRESSIVE. HE ALSO TOLD ME SOMETHING WAS BROUGHT TO TEIR ATTENTION ABOUT IT, BUT HE WOULD NOT SAY WHAT. HERE IS WHAT I CAN SHARE WITH YOU GUYS. SKIDOO HAS A 20 HOUR BREAK IN PROGRAM ON MACH AND 600 SDI. AFTER 20 HOURS 9 HORSE GAIN ON MACH. STOCK ECU INTO LEANER MODE AND OPENS UP MORE TIMING . BASISLY SAME THING ON 600SDI. NOW, ECU THAT THEY GOT FROM SKIDOO RACE SHOP WAS ALTTLIE DEFFERENT THAN CONSUMER PRODECURE. BIG BIG HORSEPOWER GAIN. THE 600 SDI ALMOST BURNED DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS SO LEANED. ANOTHER WORDS WITH THIS CATCH, SKIDOO MAKES A JOKE OUT OF THIS SHOOTOUT, NOW BEING THAT THIS MACH HAD TO BE REPROGRAMED TO RUN IN 20 HOUR MODE. IT MAYBE JUST A ALSO RAN !! ANOTHER WORDS, SKIDOO GOT CAUGHT WITH ITS PANTS DOWN WITH ANOTHER WOMEN !! GO APPEX!!! 3:16 (tony)