REPRODUCED PSI QUAD PIPES

[KING OF THE LAKE]

I KNOW SOMEONE ADDRESSED THIS BEFORE, BUT DOES ANYONE HAVE A SERIOUS INTEREST IN REMADE PSI QUAD PIPES FOR 750 AND 800'S? THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE I HAVE A FRIEND THAT HAS PIPE PATTERNS THAT HAD WORKED FOR PSI AS A WELDER/PIPE FITTER. HE WOULD BE WILLING TO REPRODUCE SAME PIPES ONLY THEY WOULD BE CUSTOM MADE LOOKING - NOT AS SMOOTH AND CLEAN - WOULD LOOK SIMMILAR TO AAEN PIPES BUT ALL EXIT OUT STOCK HOLE. THESE PIPES WOULD BE DYNOED AND REFIELD TESTED TO ENSURE RELIABILTY. DUE TO THE APPARENT DEMAND AND LACK OF SUPPLY OF THESE PIPES WE ARE CONSIDERING REMAKING A LIMITED SUPPLY AT AN AFFORDABLE COST. THEY WOULD ALSO RUN AT STOCK RPM AND WOULD INCLUDE A DYNO TEST RUN SHEET. LET ME KNOW IF INTERSESTED SO WE CAN START BUILDING THESE SOON!!!!!!!! THANKS YOUR KING OF THE LAKE- BRIAN. YOU CAN EMAIL ME AT MILTJR1@HOTMAIL.COM WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK

[nate b]

go for it, and try to get them in the $500 range.

[Master of Faster]

I had suggested that before, I think there would be a lot of demand. As of right now I don't need a set, only one sled and already have pipes.

It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on pricing though, I think $500 is a long shot for custom built pipes, I was thinking that it would be great if you get them out for around $800 a set...

[mark the shark]

Roadrunner is working on the same project. You guys need to get together.
$800 for a set of pipes would be about right. I paid $750 for mine back in '94.
Shark

[Skinner]

I agree with ya Mark,500.00 is pretty light for a set of hand built pipes

[SRV540]

I paid $900 for a set of Lomas GP pipes for my RZ.....but well worth the money for custom pipes.....not like the ones blown or stamped off a production line that start to crack and fall apart after a sort time.........argh!!!! like mt AAEN pipe.

[VMAX535]

Lets not jump to conclusions. We all want to relate past experience to the moment at hand. Sometimes' this helps sometimes'this weekens'!

It all comes down to #1 what does it cost to make #2 what are people willing to pay! #3 am I doing this to profit or fill a blank!

We should contact the builder and find out what he wants' out of this!

Give me his info. I will contact and forward the info.

/Dan

[Exciter570]

This is just me, but before I would commit to purchasing them I would want to see pics (nice large detailed pics), a dyno sheet, and hopefully some testamonials from people that bought them before me. I love the idea of someone doing this, I just would like to see some proof before I drop the money on them. Also, since these wouldn't be blown pipes, as PSIs are (right?) I assume they would be welded (more like bender and aaens right?) I thought part of the benefit of the PSIs is that they were blown and that blown pipes flowed better or something, or is blown only beneficial for the apperance of the pipe? Let's keep this thread rolling and get some more details!

[JAMIE]

psi's are not a blown pipe they are a stamped pipe as well as the bender ones now for the aaen pipes i would call them a sectional pipe.blown pipes are all wrinkled on the outer edge of the weld seem.my 2 cents

[Exciter570]

psi's are not a blown pipe they are a stamped pipe as well as the bender ones now for the aaen pipes i would call them a sectional pipe.blown pipes are all wrinkled on the outer edge of the weld seem.my 2 cents

Thanks for the info! now I know. So would a sectional pipe have less welds than a stamped pipe?

[JAMIE]

this is a sectional (cones) pipe with the most welds

[JAMIE]

this one would be mostly a set of stamped pipes where two halfes are fused together

[KING OF THE LAKE]

GUYS, THESE PIPES WOULD START OUT AS SECTIONAL CUSTOM PIPES AS THE ORIGINALS WERE BUT MAY BE PRODUCED THRU STAMPING WHICH WOULD LOWER THE COST. IN STAMPIMG THEM YOU CAN END UP WITH A SET THAT MAY NOT BE AS GOOD DUE TO INTERNAL VOLUME CHANGES WHICH HURTS POWER OUTPUT. THESE WILL BE MADE BY SOME ONE WHO HAS DONE THE ORIGINALS AND HAS FULL KNOWLEDGE OF MAKING THESE AS HE HAS WORKED FOR THE PREVIOUS BUILDER. HAND BUILT PIPES WILL ALWAYS END UP TO BE THE BEST THATS WHY RACE SLEDS HAVE THEM AND NOT MASS PRODUCED PIPES THRU STAMPING OR BLOWING. THEY WILL BE COMPLETELY REFIELD TESTED AND DYNOED AGAIN TO ENSURE YOUR PERFORMANCE SAFETY AS WELL AS MINE. THIS ISNT ABOUT MAKING MONEY BUT RATHER CONTINUING THE QUAD REVOLUTION. IF ANY ONE KNOWS ROADRUNNER OR IF ROADRUNNER YOU WANT TO DISCUSS GETTING TOGETHER ON THIS PROJECT EMAIL ME. THANKS KING OF THE LAKE.

[JAMIE]

so the pipes will look like the cone pipe from jaws that he's holding in his hands right...?external silencers rebuildable ? .let's do this ..!.have you ever heard of a hi temp clear coat for exhausts...?sounds crazy but i seen it..!just don't know where you would get it

[RedWhiteandBlue]

Send me the first set and I'll have them dyno's @ dynotech right on my sled! Even get a comparison to the PSI's on there right now. No sense making any other than the 800 mod blaster version (8600~8800 rpm). I would say that if you make couple dozen sets @ a reasonable price they will sell easily...Blue

[KING OF THE LAKE]

BLUE,THESE WILL BE DYNOED BY US AND RUN ON SLED TO ENSURE QUALITY AGAIN.WE HAVE KNOW PROBLEM SUPPLYING PIPES FOR DYNOING BUT WILL NEED PAYMENT FOR THEM WHICH WOULD BE REFUNDED IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH POWER RESULTS FROM DYNOTECH. I THINK YOU MAY FIND THAT OUR PIPES WILL BE BETTER THAN ORIGINALS DUE TO THE FACT OF WE ARE IN IT TO MAKE POWER NOT PROFIT!!! WHY DO YOU FEEL THAT ONLY THE 800 MODBLASTERS WOULD BE THE ONES TO MAKE? THE 750 PIPES WORK GREAT ALSO IF MADE CORRECTLY FOR THE 750 ACCORDING TO MY GUY. THE REFUND OFFER ONLY WOULD APPLY TO YOU SINCE YOU STEPPED UP AND OFFERDED TRYING A SET? $500.00 U.S. WOULD BE A HUGE STRETCH BUT SHOULD FALL BETWEEN 700-800 IF WE GET A BUNCH OF ORDERS. THEY WOULD BE REPACKABLE AND YES THERE IS A HIGH TEMP CLEAR AVAILABLE AND WE KNOW HOW TO GET IT IF ANYONE WANTS THEM COATED. KEEP THE INTEREST GOING . THANKS-KING OF THE LAKE

[vmax1234]

I am interested.:super:

[KING OF THE LAKE]

BY THE WAY-HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW MUCH THE USED SET OF PRODUCTION PSI PIPES ON EBAY ARE GOING TO SELL FOR TODAY #4595163499. THIS JUST SHOWS HOW BIG OF A DEMAND THERE IS IF THEY SELL FOR THAT MUCH. THOSE PIPES NEW WERE 750.00 U.S. GUARANTEED OURS SELL FOR LESS AND WILL BE BETTER,NEW,AND NOT HAVE TO BE REPACKED RIGHT AWAY.

[Skinner]

this is a sectional (cones) pipe with the most welds

Man, those hand crafted race pipes are enough to give ya a big -----!!!!!
The clear coat would be high temp powder I assume???
Brian at American Custom Surfacing (a max-4 site sponsor ) will do the coating at a reduced rate for max-4 members. I would assume a cost savings for everbody, might want to give him a call

[JAMIE]

the best thing about those pipes on ebay they don't even have silencers to go with them....!!!!! i wouldn't be surprised if the high bidder backs out once he finds out...

[KING OF THE LAKE]

JAMIE, HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DONT COME WITH SILENCERS? NICE LOOKING V-MAX ALSO. I CANT BELIEVE THOSE ARE GOING TO SELL FOR THE PRICE THEY ARE IF NOT MORE.

[JAMIE]

i emailed the guy and he told me he doesent know where they are...!!! yeeeeiiikkes ...! said if he found them he would send them.i can't believe myself the price they are going for..unbelievable...!

[Roadrunner]

King,
Sent you a PM. Sorry, I didn't see this till tonight. There was a pretty bad accident at work and I just have been down a little and haven't really searched anything on here the last day or two.
Doug

[RedWhiteandBlue]

Doug, I hope all turns out well.

kotl, I was somewhat kidding and serious about testing them but I will and compare them to the production ones I run now. I know full well that if done correctly, the hand made sectionals will outperform production pipes. The only reason I said to make the 800 mod blaster version is because they work on 750's too. If your guy is willing to make specific 750's then go for it. Nobody wants the trail models with the internal stinger so all I'm saying is I wouldn't plan on anyone wanting that version at all in 750 or 800. What time frame are you thinking of? You might want to add some more info about yourself and such if you want these guys to start writing checks. Do I know who your partner from PSI is?...Blue

[Roadrunner]

I agree with Blue. I have been trying to find the 800 quads, since they will work on both.

[yammiman]

I would be interested - like the rest of the guys, I would want to see dyno sheets on them - one note you might want to check is that you are not getting into any kind of law suit situation from PSI - (copyright infringement, etc.)
Jamie - what is that sled with the triple pipes? - that looks awesome!!!!

[Skinner]

Guys, I spoke with KOTL for a couple of hours, these guys know what their doing. I am sending a deposit (300.00) which they did'nt even want. I told them if they would keep the pipes under 1000.00, I would commit to a set. They are located within 1.5 hours from me, can check and see progress. I don't think the pattent infringment is an issue because they are hand crafted pipes. You will never know unless you try. I'm sure we can do some set-ups on one of my sleds and get the dyno feedback everyone would like to see, but ya gotta have a set to test first. These guys have been around the block, Im not concerned giving it a shot. Sounds like KOTL's max is no slouch.

Skinner

[KING OF THE LAKE]

RED-WHITE-BLUE, IM NOT GOING TO ASK FOR MONEY UP FRONT BUT RATHER HONEST COMMITMENT FROM MEMBERS OF THIS SITE OR ANYONE ELSE. MY PARTNER,MYSELF AND YOU ALL KNOW SKEPTICISM RUNS HIGH IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS SO THIS IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS. DUE TO THE TIME THIS IS GOING TO TAKE HAVING TO REFIT AND BUILD I GET THE FIRST SET THEN AS SUPPLY HAPPENS WE FILL THE DEMAND. I WILL INVITE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO MEET ME AFTER A SET IS DONE ON MY SLED TO RUN MY SLED. I LIVE IN WISCONSIN SO THIS WILL BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR MOST BUT HOPEFULLY GUYS LIKE SKINNER THAT LIVES CLOSE TO ME TAKE ADVANTAGE SO THEY CAN BE THE TESTIMONIALS. GUYS LIKE YOURSELF ON THE EAST COAST WILL GET A SET TO RUN AND GIVE REPORT ON SO HOPEFULLY THE OTHERS WILL WANT TO BUY WITHOUT ANY RESERVATIONS. PLEASE BE PATIENT AS ANYONE WHO KNOWS WHAT IT TAKES TO BUILD PIPES PROPERLY KNOWS WHAT A PAIN IN THE ASS IT IS, BUT THE REWARDS ARE MUCH GREATER THAN THE WORK INVOLVED.I HOPE TO HAVE FIRST SET DONE BY MID JAN. BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS AND OTHER COMMITMENTS WE HAVE GOING.YOU MAY OR MAYNOT KNOW MY FRIEND AND I WILL NOT TELL HIS NAME DUE TO THE NATURE OF THIS-SORRY.AS FOR THE LEGAL ASPECT OF THIS WITH PSI THERE WAS NEVER ANY COPY RIGHT OR PATENT PUT ON THOSE PIPES TO OUR KNOWLEDGE AND IF THERE WAS ALL WE HAVE TO DUE IS CHANGE ONE THING TO NOT INFRINGE ON BRUCES ORIGINAL DEAL. STAY IN TOUCH AS I WILL ALSO AS THIS PROGRESSES THANKS-KING OF THE LAKE. ONE MORE THING DO YOU THINK THERE IS A DEMAND FOR BIG BORE PIPES FOR THE SRX'S AT A MUCH CHEAPER PRICE THAN BENDER OR PRICE PERF. GETS AND ALSO A DEMAND FOR THE VMAX 500 AND 600 TWINS WITH THE SAME BODY STYLE AS THE QUAD-LET ME KNOW . THANKS AGAIN --- KING OF THE LAKE

[racer7x]

I would be interested in a set, just need the time to save up the cash.....

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

KING OF THE LAKE, SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE EVERYTHING IN ORDER HERE INCLUDEING BRUCE,s COPIE RIGHTS WHICH I WAS GONNA JUST ASK YA ABOUT. BRUCE IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE AND WORKED WITH ME WHEN I BOUGHT MY BLASTERS BACK IN 1996. TELL YA WHAT I WOULD DO, SEND YA A DEPOST, SEND ME A SET, I WILL BOLT THEM ON MY 96 800 AND SEE HOW THEY WORK COMPARED TO ORIGINALS. SEAT OF THE PANTS IS YOUR BEST DYNO !!!!!!!! 3:16 (tony)

[KING OF THE LAKE]

SKINNER, THANKS FOR THE GOOD WORDS. IT WAS NICE TALKING TO YOU,AND YOU STILL DONT HAVE TO SEND DEPOSIT. HONESTY IS THE ONLY DEPOSIT WE NEED. THE LAST THING I NEED IS A BUNCH OF GUYS SENDING US MONEY FOR SOMETHING THEY DONT HAVE RIGHT AWAY. THIS WILL AND IS GOING TO HAPPEN. HOPEFULLY EVERYONE IN THE END WILL BE SATISFIED. I PLANN ON GOING TO THE LAKE TODAY WITH TEST SLEDS TO GET SOME BASELINE RUNS TO GET THIS PROJECT HAPPENING. STAY IN TOUCH------KING OF THE LAKE

[RedWhiteandBlue]

Excellent. I am in no hurry so don't think I was in one! Next spring would work for me getting ready for hopefully a full tar season. If Skinner is convinced then I am sure everyone is satisfied. Keep up updated. thanks...Blue

[KING OF THE LAKE]

YAMMIEGOD, THANKS FOR THE THREAD REPLY. DO YOU PREFER CUSTOM BUILT LOOK OR STAMPED LOOK. WHAT WILL EVERYONE ELSE LIKE? ANY INPUT IS APPRECIATED.

[racer7x]

I like the custom look, and would probably have them ceramic coated..

[Exciter570]

KOTL, I just want to comment on how well you are handling all of this. This is a huge project and commitment you are taking on and you are communicating with everyone extremely well and willing to do this thing right!by offering a set of pipes to members to let them test em out n' such is a great idea and shows your dedication and honesty. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone come along and say they will make custom headers or whatever it might be and then completely fall apart, not follow through because they didn't realize how much of an effort it really would take to get the project done. Sounds like you have really given it some thought and have a realistic timeframe. I'm very interested in a set but I know I won't have the money probably until the spring or summer so the build time frame would probably work perfect for a guy like me. Just keep the updates coming and I guarantee that you will have success in this project and many members on this site will be looking to you for a set of pipes!! Good luck.

[KING OF THE LAKE]

EXCITER570,THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT. THIS IS A BIG ENDEAVER THAT SHOULD BE GOOD FOR EVERYONE. ONCE AGAIN I WILL STAY IN TOUCH AS THIS GOES. PLEASE BE PATIENT EVERYONE AND START SAVING YOUR COIN FROM YOUR WIVES TO BUY THE BEST QUAD PIPES EVER MADE FOR THE COMMON OWNER/LAKE RACER. WE ARE ALSO THINKING ABOUT TWIN V4PIPES AND REDOING 500+600 TWIN PIPES. ANY INPUT ON THOSE WOULD BE GREAT. I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE A MID NINETYS 600 AND SPANK SOME F5 F6 CAT BUTT. JUST A LITTLE SAYING- THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF PEOPLE-THOSE THAT WATCH THINGS HAPPEN,THOSE THAT MAKE THINGS HAPPEN,AND THEN THOSE THAT WONDER WHAT HAPPENED!!!! THANKS AGAIN K.O.T.L.

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

DUDE, MOTL, CHRIS IS RIGHT, YOU SEEM TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN ORDER WHICH IS INPRESSIVE. ONLY THING I CAN OFFER YA IS I BOUGHT MY MAXX BLASTERS RIGHT FROM PSI IN 96 FOR MY 96 VMAX 800. I NEW BRUCE BACK IN THE DAYS OF THE 440 SRX WHEN HE WORKED AT AAEN. HE DID ALOT OF PORT WORK FOR ME!! I BOUGHT MY PIPES FROM PSI, RAN THE JETTING HE TOLD ME TO USE AND BANG!!! 22 HORSE BOLT ON. I DON,T BELIEVE ANYBODY ELSE MADE A PIPE THAT MADE THAT H.P. AND AT A LOW RPM. I TALKED TO BRUCE ABOUT 5 YEARS LATER AT A SNOWMOBILE SHOW HERE IN N.Y., HE TOLD ME HE WHISHED HE HAD BUILT 100 SETS!! ESPECIALLY HOW POPULAR THE VMAX4 WAS FOR TAR RACING. I MYSELF PREFER THE STAMPED LOOK, DON,T LIKE CUSTOM STUFF. GOOD LUCK TO YA!! 3:16 (tony)

[J-Max4]

I like the custom made look, but the most important thing is that the pipes work well. This is something that we all have waited for a long time. Thanks K.O.T.L :urock:


Juha :banana_1:

[RDL 93 V-MAX4]

I think this is a great project and support it 100% Quads are a must on a V-4 and they are a real hard find. Hope to see some photos of the new pipes when available. Keep up the good work guys!!!

[4with4]

Don't worry about the custom look. The only time someone sees under my hood is when I open it up to lend them a sparkplug. Function is more important than cosmetics.

Ian

[JAMIE]

custom band welds work for me...!just like the one "jaws" has in his hands.

[Roadrunner]

King,
I also am interested in a set but like others, spring or beginning of summer would work the best for me to buy a set. I am glad you are taking on this one for all of us. I really tried and just couldn't get a set long enough to have them made, which I don't think I would give my quads up over the winter. Thanks to the guys that offered them, after winter was over.
Thanks and I hope this all works out!
Doug

[VMAX80096]

I run 800 traiblasters that come with the internal silencers, way quieter than the modblasters and heat up faster....they were the last version of psi quads for the 800.....if you talk to Bruce he would probably say that unless you are running ported, bigger carbs, you might find that the blasters actually flow too much...just a thought.

[Exciter570]

Did the Trailblasters produce the same power as the modblasters? If so I would be all for the quieter version, especially with a lot of noise regulations going into place. As far as a look goes, I would say stamped, I wasn't a fan of the look of the pipe that was shown earlier in this thread, looked kind of odd and I can't really explain it, maybe it is because it was uncoated? If it were coated how would it look? Smooth?

[KING OF THE LAKE]

EXCITER570, THE DIFFERANCE BETWEEN THE TRAILBLASTERS AND THE MOD/LAKE BLASTERS IS THE TRAILBLASTERS HAVE A WELDED IN INTERNAL STINGER AT THE END OF THE PIPE WHERE THE SILENCERS CONNECT.THIS PRODUCES TWO THINGS. FIRST IT QUIETS THE EXHAUST TONE AND SECONDLY IT PRODUCES FASTER PIPE TEMPS FOR BETTER OVERALL RUNNING PERFORMANCE ON THE TRAILS BUT DOESNT HINDER THAT MUCH PERFORMANCE ON WIDE OPEN RUNS. THE MOD/LAKE BLASTERS DONT HAVE THIS INTERNAL STINGER BECAUSE THEY ARE MAINLY MEANT FOR PORTED RACE STYLE ENGINES THAT CAN RUN AT HIGHER RPM TO PRODUCE THE EXTRA POWER POTENTIAL FOR THOSE PIPES. THE BENDER AND AAEN PIPES I BELIEVE DONT HAVE THOSE STINGERS THATS WHY THEY HAVE TO RUN AT A HIGHER RPM TO PRODUCE THE SAME POWER LEVEL AS THE TRAILBLASTERS. THE SACRIFICE FOR THIS IS HAVING TO USE A DIFFERENT IGNITION MODULE ON THE EARLY V4 BECAUSE OF IGNITION RETARD WHICH LOWERS HP AT HIGHER RPM AND THEN THE RELIABILITY OF ENGINE PARTS LONG TERM. THATS WHAT MADE THE PSI PIPES THE BEST OVERALL FOR MOST EVERYONE. THE PIPE SHOWN EARLIER FROM JAWS HAD ALOT OF SECTIONAL WELDS WHICH TELLS ME IT WAS MEANT FOR A TIGHT FITTING SPOT ON WHAT EVER SLED IT WAS MEANT FOR. WAS THE APPEARANCE FUNNING LOOKING ALSO-YES IT WAS. WILL OUR PIPES END UP LOOKING LIKE THAT-I AM GOING TO SAY NO BUT UNTIL WE REPRODUCE THEM AND TRY TO GET MORE POWER OUT OF THEM DUE TO HAVING UPDATED TECHNOLOGY WE CANT SAY. AS WE BUILD THESE PIPES I WILL TRY TO PUT DECENT PICTURES ON THIS SITE TO LET YOU GUYS SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. THANKS FOR KEEPING THE INTEREST AND THIS THREAD GOING. I DID DO SOME TESTING THIS WEEKEND AND THE RESULTS WRE FAVORABLE. LOOK FOR FUTURE UPDATES OR KEEP ASKING ON THIS THREAD AND I WILL KEEP EVERYONE INFORMED AS BEST AS I CAN. KING OF THE LAKE

[KING OF THE LAKE]

GOODMORNING EVERYONE, I AM LOOKING OUTSIDE FROM CENTRAL WIS. USA AND IT IS SNOWING OUT-YAHOO!!! I HAVE RECIEVED QUOTES FROM FAB SHOPS THAT COULD PRODUCE DIES TO STAMP OUT THE NEW PIECES TO REPRODUCE PIPES, BUT UNFORTUNATELY COSTS ARE GOING TO BE TOO HIGH FOR THE VOLUME OF PIPES WE ARE LOOKING TO PRODUCE SO WE WILL END HAND BUILDING EACH SET. THIS WILL ADD SOME EXTRA TIME FOR PRODUCTION BUT ITS THE ONLY ANSWER FOR RIGHT NOW. ONCE THEY ARE NICKEL PLATED OR HIGH TEMP PAINTED YOU WILL LIKE THE APPEARANCE BETTER HOPEFULLY. MY PERSONAL FEELING IS THAT THEY WILL ADD MORE CUSTOM DETAIL LOOK TO THE SLED AND MOST OF YOU THAT I HAVE TALKED TO OR GOT FEEDBACK FROM KINDA AGREE. I ALSO TALKED WITH THE ICEMAN [AKA-PAT HAUCK] AS ME AND HIM ARE SOMEWHAT FRIENDS AND I BUY ALL MY SLEDS FROM HIM NEW, AND HE WILL BE GETTING A SET TO TEST AND CLUTCH ON HIS OWN SLED TO HELP AS WE REDEVELOP THESE PIPES. WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE ADDED ,THIS SHOULD MAKE THIS PROJECT BETTER AND GIVE YOU GUYS SOME XTRA TECH SUPPORT. STAY TUNED AS MORE POWER FOR THE QUAD WILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE NEAR FUTURE:sled: THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT AND ANY OTHER FEEDBACK IS WELCOME. KING OF THE LAKE

[Ike]

Sounds great!:super:

Ike

[Exciter570]

Can't wait to see a set! As soon as you get a set built post some pics, I'm very interested to see them.

[racer7x]

KOTL, Will these need to be run on pump fuel or 50/50 blend of race fuel and pump premium ? Or large jets to compensate for the fuel quality of todays octane ?
Do you think these pipes will be trailable, or race applications only ?

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

JUST TOO ADD HERE. MY MAIN QUESTION HERE IS CAN YOU SAFELY GET THE HORSEPOWER OF THE ORIGINAL PSI,s UNDER TODAY GAS CONDITIONS. I WOULD EXPECT 20 HORSE LIKE THE ORIGINALS BEING ABLE TOO USE ON TODAY,S PUMP GAS PREM, OR HAVEING TO COMPENSATE WITH BIGGER JETS WHICH WOULD ROB HORSEPOWER. MOST WOULD NOT OPT FOR RACE GAS EVEN IF IT WILL SAVE YOUR MOTOR. 3:16 (tony)

[KING OF THE LAKE]

ON A STOCK ENGINE WITH OUR REPRODUCED PIPES YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN PREMIUM GAS MINIMUM AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT HAVE A HIGH CONTENT OF ETHYNOL,BUT WE WILL SUGGEST RUNNING A GOOD TWO STROKE COMPATIBLE OCTANE BOOSTER SUCH AS KLOTZ WITH THE PREMIUM GAS AS A XTRA SAFETY PERCAUTION. IF YOU HAVE ANY ENGINE MODS DONE LIKE PORTING WITH HEADS CUT OR CUTTING HEADS ONLY TO RAISE COMPRESSION LEVELS YOU SHOULD RUN A 50/ 50 MIX OR STRAIGHT RACE GAS IF DRAG RACING. WE WILL FURNISH STARTING JETTING AND TIMING RECOMENDATIONS FOR THE PIPES BUT AS WITH ANYTHING 2 STROKE RELATED,FINAL TUNING IS UP TO THE END USER FOR THERE SPECIFIC APPLICATIONS.WE WILL HELP EVERYONE OUT THAT BUYS A SET AS MUCH AS WE CAN. THE KLOTZ OCTANE BOOSTER IS YOUR BEST BET IF RUNNING PREMIUM FUEL. I HAVE RUN THIS IN MY OWN VMAX 4'S AND MY BIG BORE SRX AND SXR WITH NO PROBLEMS. IF YOU ARE RUNNING KLOTZ NITRO OR PLAN ON IT- PLEASE DO NOT!!!! THE STUFF DOESNT WORK IN MOST INSTANCES. IVE BURNED DOWN AFTER USING THIS BOTH ON A DYNO AND IN THE FIELD. THESE WILL BE TRAILABLE PIPES AND WE HOPE TO KEEP THEM QUITE AS NOISE RESTRICTIONS ARE GETTING TOUGHER FOR US ALL OVER. SORRY IT TOOK AWHILE TO GET BACK TO YOU GUYS-WORKING ON SLEDS AND THIS PROJECT. YOU WILL GET SAFE HORSEPOWER FROM THESE PIPES AND SHOULD GET MORE OF IT DUE TO THE TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TO US TO REDEVELOP THESE PIPES.SHOULD ANY OF YOU WANT TO TALK TO ME FURTHER,PLEASE CALL MY CELL AT 1-715-218-8475 BUT TRY TO NOT BOMBARD ME. I WILL BE GLAD TO TALK TO YOU AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT ANSWERED. THANKS- KING OF THE LAKE [BRIAN]

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

BRIAN, PROBLEM HERE IS MOST ON THIS SITE WON,T GO FOR 50/50 RACE GAS OR EVEN OCTANE BOOSTER. THEY DON,T WANT ADDED EXSPENCE OR TO BE DOING SOMETHING OUT OF THE ORIDINARY THAT WOULD SAVE THEIR MOTOR. THEY WANT TO PULL UP TO A GAS STATION, FILL UP AND GO. THAT SECNARIO LEAVES THEM WITH ONLY ONE OPTION AND THATS BIG JETS. BUT THAN YOUR HORSEPOWER GETS KNOCKED DOWN. DUDE THIS IS GONNA BE A TUFF NUT FOR YA TO CRACK. THE MAJORITY OF THE GUYS HERE ARE NOT RACERS. QUADS TODAY WITH THE WAY GAS IS ARE TUFF IN THE REAL WORLD OF SNOWMOBLEING WHICH MOST OF THESE GUYS DO. THEIR IS A GUY HERE NAMED AL.P WHO HAS PSI QUADS AND HE IS AFRAID TO INSTALL THEM. HE JUST DOSE NOT TRUST THE GAS TODAY. IZZ DETNATED HIS BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH OCTANE, AND HE RAN A BOOSTER. HE FLAT OUT SAY HE WON,T MIX 50/50. INSTEAD HE WILL UP JETTING. SEE I HAVE NO PROBLEMS BECAUSE I BUY MY GAS RIGHT FROM SUNOCO IN A SEALED DRUM. ITS 100 OCTANE WITH MOTOR RESERCH OF 98. GAS IS A BIG PROBLEM NOW. I BELIEVE I WOULD NOT REFER QUADS ANYMORE TO ANYBODY USEING A VMAX 4 FOR EVERYDAY RIDING. SORRY, JUST THE WAY I SEE IT. ! 3:16 (tony)

[jminor]

For the majority of guys that are'nt racing jet the things up and clutch and you're good to go. The loss of a few horse is better than the loss of a few pistons IMO. Back in the day these pipes were recommended to drop the jets to 135's from the stock 143.8's I am reading directly from my psi paperwork. When I talked to Bruce this year upon purchasing the LAST set of quads from him he told me to leave the stock jets in due to how shitty the fuel is (asYammiegod has said) To this point on mine I am running stock jets, some of Yammiegods clutching, some of mine, no studs in my new track until the break in stretch is done, AND THAT IS IT!! My plugs are showing maybe slightly on the fat side but I am pleased to this point. Having said this once I stud, once it gets colder, once I start doing long pulls etc., etc. I may have to bump the jets. Has anyone other than me just stuck to stock jets and what are your experiences? I'm sure if KOTL puts together a safe jetting program and gets these pipes in the 15-18 hp. gain area you'll still have takers.

[KING OF THE LAKE]

I KNOW FUEL IS A BIG ISSUE. THATS WHY WE ARE REDEVOLPING AND I REITERATE REDEVELOPING, TO TRY AND COMBAT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE 2 STROKE PROBLEMS RUNNING ON THIS CRAPPY FUEL. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT ALOT OF GUYS DONT WANT TO RUN RACE GAS OR OCTANE BOOSTER BUT UNFORTUNATELY OUR HAND IS BEING FORCED. THE ORIGINAL PIPES WERE DEVELOPED 8 TO 13 YEARS AGO AND ALOT HAS CHANGED BOTH IN PIPE TECH AND FUEL QUALITY. WE HOPE TO TEST ENOUGH SENARIOS ON FUEL ETC. TO MAKE THESE PIPES SAFE TO RUN AT FULLY TRAILABLE LEVELS. MAKING HP. TAKES SOME SACRIFICE FROM THE USER. I WILL BE THE FIRST USER SO IN THE END ANYONE ELSE WILL BE SAFE FROM COMMON PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE FUEL CONCERNS. PIPES AND FUEL ARE NOT THE ONLY ISSUES HERE. IT SEEMS ALOT OF GUYS HAVE SOME MODS DONE TO THERE SLEDS ENGINE WHICH WILL PLAY A HUGE ROLE IN RELIABILITY. YOU WILL HAVE TO JET- JET-JET BUT I WILL TELL YOU WHERE TO BEGIN BASED ON MY EXPERIANCE FOR ANY POSSIBLE SITUATION. IF YOU WANT THESE SLEDS TO GO FAST THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO MAKE SOME COMPRIMISE ON HOW GO ABOUT IT. OTHERWISE GO BUY A FOUR STROKE THATS DEVELOPED TO RUN TODAYS FUEL-SORRY IF THAT SOUNDS COCKY BUT IT IS BECOMING MORE THE TRUTH. BY THE WAY, I DO OWN A FOUR STROKE ALSO. I LOVE THE 4 CYLINDER VMAX AND STILL WANT IT TO PERFORM.THATS WHY I AM REMAKING PIPES - IF WE HAVE TO RUN RICH THEN THATS WHAT WILL HAPPEN BUT WE HOPE TO MAKE MORE AND SAFER POWER FROM THE NEW PIPES IN THE END. YAMMIEGOD I HERE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I OWN ALOT OF MOD SLEDS AND LAKE RACE OR TRAILRIDE THEM ALL SO I AM IN THE SAME BOAT AS EVERYONE ELSE. I KNOW FUEL IS A HUGE CONCERN ESP.TO THOSE THAT HAVE PIPES. PLEASE DONT GET DISCOURAGED AS WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE PIPES BETTER AND SAFER TO USE IN THIS DAY AND AGE. THANKS ALOT FOR YOUR RESPONCES TO THIS THREAD. ALL I CAN DO IS TRY BOTH FOR ME AND EVERYONE ELSE. KING OF THE LAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[racer7x]

KOTL,
I'm sure I speak for alot of the members here on this, we appreciate the effort you are putting into this endeavor.
Thanks.:)

[Exciter570]

KOTL,
I'm sure I speak for alot of the members here on this, we appreciate the effort you are putting into this endeavor.
Thanks.:)
:agree: :agree:

it's gonna get hairy, but hopefully it'll all be worth it in the end! keep it up!

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

END RESULT IS GONNA BE IF THESE GUYS WANT QUADS, THEIR GONNA HAVE TO LISTEN TOO YOU BRAIN. YOUR THE PIPE BUILDER, YOU DID ALL THE TESTING , AND YOU WILL KNOW WHAT WORKS BEST WITH THESE PIPES. IF THEY WANT TO CUT CORNERS, THEY BETTER FORGET IT. 3:16 (tony)

[Exciter570]

hey, 3:16, did u get my pm?

[VMAX535]

Guy's,
Quite a few of you guys' have/are busting KOTL BALL's. From what I can see, he/them (partner) have a game plan. Lets' back off and see what results they show us! They will not market a product that can not be consumed. I am totally interested.

Just a side note. WHY DO YOU SOME OF YOU POST IN CAPITALS. IT'S HARDER TO READ AND SUGESTEST???????

Please think of us guy's with reading glasses.......

VMAX535 - Dan

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

DUDE, I NOT BUSTING ANYBODY,S BALLS. Iam LAYING DOWN REAL WORLD FACTS. WHEN YOU SEE PICTURES A IZZ,s MOTOR, OR HERE AL.P SAY HE IS AFRAID TO INSTALL HIS QUADS, WHY NOT ASK. I MYSELF HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN, I RUN RACE GAS, I RUN QUADS, AND DO ALOT OF RACING. MOST HERE DO NOT !! I DON,T BELIEVE AT ALL KING OF THE LAKE THINGS I AM BREAKING HIS BALLS. I THINK HE WELCOMES THE QUESTIONS.!! 3:16 (tony)

[AL P]

Yeah I`ll have to agree with yammiegod on this one, I dont think anyone Is trying to bust his sayeragains. there`s just questions and answers being thrown around, and I think its probley best to get it all out on the table. That way, you know how others feel, concerns, thoughts, ect.
Now, I do admit, that I`m leary of putting my pipes on at this time. I`m just kinda setting back, and waiting for the smoke to clear, and get some more info on what jets others are using, ect. To be honest with ya, until I read the thread about izz`es burn down recently, I had planned on putting my pipes on and running my stock 143.8 jets any day know, but now I`m just going to wait a little longer and try to collect some more info and jets LOL. The thing is, my vmax is running GREAT right now, the plugs look perfect, its very snappy, no cutting out, backfiring or anything else, So I`m just having a hard time convincing myself to rock the boat, especialy since I dont see anyway of comming up with the money to fix it, should something go wrong. sorta like the old, if it aint broke, dont try to fix it. But I do really want to put my pipes on, but again, I`m just setting back right now, and reading as much about these pipes, and jetting as I can.

[alwb20]

Yeah I`ll have to agree with yammiegod on this one, U dont think anyone Is trying to bust his sayeragains. there`s just questions and answers be thrown around, and I think its probley best to get it all out on the table. That way, you know how thers feel, concerns, thoughts, ect.
Now, I do admit, that I`m leary of putting my pipes on at this time. I`m just kinda setting back, and waiting for the smoke to clear, and get some more info on what jets others are using, ect. To be honest with ya, until I read the thread about izz`es burn down recently, I had planned on putting my pipes on and running my stock 143.8 jets any day know, but now I`m just going to wait a little longer and try to collect some more info and jets LOL. The thing is, my vmax is running GREAT right now, the plugs look perfect, its very snappy, no cutting out, backfiring or anything else, So I`m just having a hard time convincing myself to rock the boat, especialy since I dont see anyway of comming up with the money to fix it, should something go wrong. sorta like the old, if it aint broke, dont try to fix it. But I do really want to put my pipes on, but again, I`m just setting back right now, and reading as much about these pipes, and jetting as I can.al i think your right( if it aint broke dont fix it)i see alot of peoplle trying to make more compression bigger juggs and thing like that . but thay forget the age of the sled and never rebuild the bottom half which has to put up with the stress of a new top half.

[4with4]

There are new ideas out there on pipe building guys. When a set of tripples can pull another 30 hp out of a Viper just a couple years ago, it suggests that maybe there's still hope for the quads. Every set of quads out there save maybe a handfull of custom hand builts are all based on 10-14 yr old science. The gas has changed and so must the design of the pipe. Brians first set of pipes may be pretty ugly by the time he even gets close to where he wants to be. IF he's lucky the results might be close to what he's looking for by the second set. I've built several prototypes in my life and you seldom get what you want the first couple times around. If these guys are gonna start from a proven design and know how to change things for the design of todays gas, they should be successful. I applaude their efforts and really wish them the best. Remember, everyone having problems with bad gas is using yesterdays technology with todays gas. These guys want to update the technology so the problem is minimized. Good luck Brian!!!

Ian

[VMAX80096]

Brian, are you going to use a single cylinder donkey engine to build one pipe and test? That would mean we would have to see around 45hp from a 200cc engine....cool!

[KING OF THE LAKE]

GUYS, I DONT FEEL ANYONE IS TRYING TO BUSY MY BALLS. COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS ARE WELCOME.THIS PIPE DEAL IS A BIG ENDEAVOR AS I STATED EARLIER AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD. I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE PIPES THAT DONT WORK,ESPECIALLY FOR ME, AND THEN EXPECT YOU GUYS TO BUY THEM ONLY TO END UP HAVING TROUBLE THE SAME AS THE TROUBLE IZZ IS HAVING WITH BURNDOWN. I WILL PROBABLY END UP HAVING SOME TROUBLE AND EXPENSE AS ANYONE WHO HAS BUILT PIPES OR DONE ENGINE MODS BEFORE WILL TELL YOU. IT WOULD BE WAY EASIER AND LESS FRUSTRATING JUST TO BE PATIENT AND FIND OLDER PIPES THAT BECOME AVAILABLE THAN TO BUILD NEW ONES, BUT I WANT TO EXCELL AND HAVE SOMETHING BETTER THAT WORKS WITH TODAYS FUEL AND OILS.I STARTED OUT LOOKING FOR PIPES WHEN I JOINED THIS SITE TO HELP DEVELOPE NEW ONES BUT FOUND OUT THEY ARE HARD TO COME BY SO IT ONLY MADE ME WANT TO REPRODUCE AND END UP MAKING THEM BETTER IN THE END NOT ONLY FOR ME BUT ANYONE WHO ENJOYS GOING FAST AS MUCH AS ME. SORRY IF I SOUNDED LIKE I WAS GETTING OFFENDED-I WASNT. ALL I CAN SAY IS I AM LOOKING FOR BETTER RELIABLE SPEED FOR MY SLEDS WHICH IN THE END HOPEFULLY WILL DO THE SAME FOR ANYONE WHO BUYS OUR FINISHED PIPES. NO MATTER WHAT, WE ALL HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT IF YOU WANT TO TRAILRIDE/LAKERACE THE VMAX4 AND BE FASTER THAN THE NEXT,SACRIFICES WILL HAVE TO BE MADE. IT IS A FACT OF LIFE NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION IS. IF ONLY A HAND FULL OF GUYS END UP WITH OUR FINISHED PIPES AND HAVE SUCCESS RUNNING THEM I WILL FEEL THAT I SUCEEDED IN THIS PROJECT. " LET THE GAMES BEGIN " THANKS AGAIN ---- KING OF THE LAKE

[KING OF THE LAKE]

WE ARE USING ALL 4 CYLINDERS TO REDEVELOP JUST AS IN THE PAST, ONLY WITH SOME DIFFERENT PROCEDURES AND TECHNOLOGY.WE ARE STRIVING TO GAIN 8 HP PER CYL. X 4 = 32 TOTAL GAIN ON BOTH 750 AND 800. 140+32=172{750} 150+32=182{800} WILL WE END UP WITH THIS ON TODAYS FUEL? TIME WILL TELL US BUT WE SURE AS HELL ARE TRYING. WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. GIVE IT TIME PLEASE - I REMEMBER IT WASNT TOO LONG AGO PEOPLE DIDNT BELIEVE YAMAHA WOULD EVER BUILD THE QUAD LET ALONE SELL IT! NOW THERE PICKING ON THE FOUR STROKES THAT YAMAHA WOULD NEVER BUILD - YA RIGHT

[Hypocryt]

way to go KING OF THE LAKE! 32hp thats pretty much..the quads would be a dream.

yeah about the 30hp out of the tripple, its cuse the exhaust pulses are to close and therefor needs tripple pipes. but the V4 ignites (correct me if I'm wrong) on the 1st then 3,2,4 that makes it 180* pulses duo to the stock twin pipes. then it's like a twin! in pipe making, you should get as much power from custom made twin's in the V4.... just a thinking

BTW it's great you uppdate us K O T L

[gate]

you can count me in also
gate
:super:

[IZZ]

Guys, Ive talked to Brian a few times now and yes, hes the real deal. As a matter of fact Im dropping 2 V4's off to him this week for some engine work. It was between him and Pat Hauck and after talking to them both, I have just as much confidence in Brian's ability to get my motors straightened out as I would in Pat.
The thing about a Vmax 4 is the raw power they have. Ive heard guys compare them to muscle cars and thats about right. The 1st time I rode my 800, I was hooked on that acceleration! I loved it!
But Im one of these guys who are never satisfied and want more, more, more. I read all these posts about V4 PSI quads and studied the dynotech quad pipe shootout and was impressed and intrigued - (youve got to wonder if its all hype) but you see if you look at that dyno comparison graph - its right there - look how much more hp at low rpm those psi quads make than the other quads and they make more at peak as well!
Now thats a sweet combination for trail and race.
When I finally made the decision I would spend the money and buy a set, I had another problem - finding them!
I looked for about 6 months and found none! I finally found 1 set - they had a stinger missing and no gaskets or sealing rings. I found another set - very beat up and rusty for all most as much as what they went for new!

Well the best deal I could find was to buy a set that came with a whole snowmobile attached! These also happened to be from a 750, but I assumed they would work on my 800. Prior to putting them on my 800, I did some slight motor work and installed the pipes. Well to make a long story short I have a high rpm problem! Which may or may not be from the motor work I tried to do myself or running 750 quads on an 800 or my vent lines? (like I already said KOTL's gonna straighten it out)
Anyway the point Im trying to make is that if youve never ran these quads, you will not believe the power they make!!!!!!!!!
I ran my sled around here with these pipes on for a few hrs and I can not see ever wanting anymore than that!!!! If you like youre Vmax4 for the muscle car like power then you have to try psi quads - its not hype!
Bottom line is if youre like me and want more, these pipes are a must, and since you cant hardly find used sets, we all should get behind KOTL on this with all the support we can muster. Hes making things happen for these sleds that were all so passionate about. Not to many of us can say that. Even if you cant see ever wanting a set of pipes for your sled. You never know about the future and it would be nice to know theyre available. This can and will stir interest in Vmax4's and that helps us all in some way or another.
As for me I hope to get 1 of the 1st sets for my 800 so I can do this right
More power to ya Brian! and Thanks for what youre doin!
- Israel

[mark the shark]

KING OF THE LAKE - It's innovators like you who brought about the 4-cylinder snowmobile in the first place. I used to ride with an aircraft mechanic who was up on all of the new technology and when he told me Yamaha was testing a 4-cylinder sled I thought he was full of baloney. A couple of years later they were on the dealership floor and I knew I had to have one. I was fortunate enough to get a set of PSI quads back in '94. I think what you are doing to develop pipes for these sleds is awesome, and I support your efforts! Who knows, you can probably end up with pipes that are even more efficient than the PSI's. Did you ever get the .pdf file I have with all of my original information? Several guys asked me to email it to them but I never got any responses, so I'm wondering if it worked. Let me know if you need it and I'll send it to you.
Shark

[racer7x]

Shark, You emailed it to me, it's now on the tech page of the main site....

http://www.vmax4.com/techmain.htm

or a direct link to the file

http://www.vmax4.com/PSIquadspecs.pdf

[mark the shark]

Cool. Thanks Dean!:urock:
Shark

[SRV540]

any new new on these these pipes?????

[racer7x]

Brian, How's things going with the pipes ? I know life is busy, just looking for an update.
Dean

[KING OF THE LAKE]

DEAN, ALOT HAS GONE ON WITH THE NEW PIPES BUT UNFORTUNATELY NOT AS FAST AS I HAD HOPED. WE WILL BE STICKING WITH THE ORIGINAL SILENCER DESIGN AND FLANGE DESIGN DUE TO THE FACT OF ME ACQUIRING ALOT OF PART INVENTORY FROM THE NOW BANKRUPT PSI. WE HAVE CUT UP AND CHANGED THE ORIGINAL PIPES THAT I ALSO ACQUIRED FROM INDIVIDUAL SALES WITH SOME GAIN BUT WE WILL END UP MAKING NEW PIPES BODIES THAT WILL MAKE MORE HP AND TORQUE. WE WERE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO NOT MAKE NEW STYLE PIPES BUT INSTEAD KEEP THE OTHER STYLE AND DO CHANGES TO THEM TO GET MORE PERFORMANCE BUT FOR REASONS I DO NOT CARE TO AIR ON THIS SITE WE WILL MAKE NEW PIPE BODIES.PM ME WITH YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND I WILL TALK DIRECT TO YOU ABOUT SOME THINGS IF YOU WANT. I HAVE TALKED TO STAMPING COMPANIES THAT WILL MAKE BODIES FOR US BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW ITS LOOKING LIKE THEY WILL ALL BE INDIVIDUALLY MADE PER SPECIAL ORDER. MASS PRODUCING THEM JUSTS ENDS UP BEING ONE BIG FINANCIAL COMITTMENT THAT I DONT WANT TO GET BURNED ON. DYNO TIME AND COST IS ANOTHER ISSUE THRU THIS. EXPENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO IT LOOKS LIKE I MAY BUY OR LEASE A LAND AND SEA DYNO PACKAGE TO KEEP A BETTER CONTROL ON THE TESTING COSTS. THIS WILL HOPEFULLY HELP FUND PROJECTS LIKE THIS AND ALLOW ME TO TEST DIFFERANT COMBOS WITH THE PIPES [HEAD MODS-RAISED CYLINDERS ETC.] I KNOW PEOPLE ARE WONDERING IF THIS WILL HAPPEN AND SOMEONE WILL GET TO SEE PIPES AND DYNO SPECS BUT NOT UNTIL THE SH*T IS RIGHT. WE DID HAVE GOOD RIDING HERE AT THE END OF THE SEASON SO I HAD TO SPEND TIME RIDING WITH THE WIFE AND DOING OTHER THINGS WITH MY SLEDS AND OTHER PEOPLES SLEDS WHICH ALSO ATE UP TIME. HOPE THIS PUTS SOME NEW LIGHT ON THINGS. ONCE AGAIN PM ME WITH YOUR PHONE NUMBER DEAN AND I CAN GET INTO SOME OTHER DETAIL PRIVATELY WITH YOU. THANKS AND I HOPE EVERYONE STAYS THINKING ABOUT VMAX4 SPEED. KING OF THE LAKE-BRIAN

[racer7x]

Any updates Brian ?

[VMAX535]

ttt

[Boomer]

I thought I'd bring this thread up top to see if there's been any news regarding this pipe project.

[Quad-800]

I am interested in a set. How much??????

[KING OF THE LAKE]

Heres the deal, I have been laying low for awhile for a reason. As a few of some fellow members know, I have been able to purchase some old inventory from the man that ended up buying the now bankrupt PSI PERFORMANCE from the bank. Some vmax 4 stuff and other pipes etc. My plan was to buy all that was left in the building for pipe production but couldnt come to agreeable terms with the guy who ended up with it all and who had met with me and talked with me several times within the timeframe he wanted it all gone by. Alot of non yamaha stuff was also left which I did not need or want and that slowed the deal to a stop. There were some pipe pattern dies that I felt were not the originals ,to make new vmax 4 pipes, that i was told were sold to someone else close to me that intended to make new pipes also. This apperently happened while trying to strike a deal to get all the stuff. OH WELL. I do know who has the original dies etc to stamp out new but will not part with them or make new stampings because of an agreement with the old owner of PSI. However they will make new pipe stampings for me if I submit a set of prototype pipes that do not copy the originals in their opinion - not an easy thing to have happen. I do have silencers, flanges, gaskets etc. from my acquisition of products from PSI and also some brand new pipes that were left over. Some small changes to the original shape of the pipes make better power but the design is the same, so I cant have the original pipe stamping company make them for me. I have been looking for a new company to help out at a reasonable cost but unable to secure one. Until this happens no pipes will be available for me to sell to you guys. We also are not going to build them custom one by one due the amount of time it takes, unless you wanna pay $1200-1400. I havent seen or heard of who supposably got other stuff out of PSI to build pipes and I was waiting to find out before I continued on. I hope this will clarify and or stop any uncertanty of this project. thanks Brian

[Boomer]

Brian,
Thanks for taking the time to keep everyone posted. It sounds like you've had a lot of curve balls thrown your way on this project and you've done a great job of hanging in there. All we can do now is hang tight and hopefully you'll be able to overcome your current obstacles.

[JAMIE]

so brian, can you share with us what are the plans of the new owner or was he just planning to flip all the stuff at a profit...?and when does the other guy plan on making the vmax-4 pipes or is he...?

thanks jamie

[KING OF THE LAKE]

Jamie, The person that bought the building,land and all remaining assets that were left in the building after the bank took over, clearanced it all out. Some stuff did get sold back to Bruce, the original owner of PSI, I bought some, some went on ebay, some got scrapped, and some supposably had been sold to someone else who was going to build pipes etc. Basically it was a investment for the person that ended up with everything. Ironically it was a past very good customer of PSI that had been screwed over by the old owner i guess. As far as the other guy that may build pipes - I have no idea who it is or if in fact there is anyone else. I had been trying to find out who thru all my resources but with no success. The guy I was dealing with would not tell me so I didnt know what to think or believe. - Not a big issue to me anymore. Good luck to him or them if they attemp it. I plan on continuing regardless of what some may think - if it only helps me or just a few others in the end, thats where I will let it lay. I will only say one other thing and this is just my opinion after having dealt with, knew some, and having learned more about the old PSI. - STAY AWAY FROM THE NEW PSI POWER INC. - same old owner as before that ran an awsome thing into the toilet and screwed over alot of customers and old employees. Just to bad. Once again just my opinion. You guys can decide on your own who to deal with.

[JAMIE]

so just to get it straight brian ,bruce is the original owner then there was a seconde owner right up to the date of bankrupcy...?and now there will be an official third in PSI'S history...?

[KING OF THE LAKE]

Jamie, Bruce owned PSI PERFORMANCE until forclosure and bankruptcy. Once it got shut down by the bank etc. they found someone to purchase all remaining assets of PSI PERFORMANCE - this was the person I was dealing with. All he wanted to do was liquidate everything in the building to help recoop buying cost which would leave him with the building and land as an investment. He never reopened. Bruce has moved to ogden,utah and started PSI POWER INC. selling some of the same stuff he removed from the old business before forclosure and also doing his engine stuff as before.

[mark the shark]

I do have silencers, flanges, gaskets etc. from my acquisition of products from PSI and also some brand new pipes that were left over.

King - Are you going to be selling any of the parts you were able to get, or are you going to hold on to them until things get straightened out? I like your "never say die" attitude. A lot of lesser men would have given up by now. I wish you all the luck seeing this project through. We all know that PSI pipes were probably the best pipes produced for our sleds. Us Vmax-4 guys are a small group, but we're passionate. You are proof of that!:urock: :4fzfk2: :4fzfk2: :4fzfk2:
Shark

[KING OF THE LAKE]

Mark, For right now I plan on keeping it and not directly selling it off but if anyone needed something I have, I would probably help them out. I kind of want to build an inventory and then feel comfortable that I can replace what I help anyone out with. I think if an inventory isnt obtained wether it be by me or someone else, this stuff will slowly disappear and leave people that want it,without it, in the future. Hopefully the vmax 4 will continue to be recognized as a past great thing and not be put to the side like most sleds as the technology progresses in the new sleds. Hopefully I can get it to work out. Thanks - Brian

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

THIS REALLY TOO BAD ABOUT BRUCE AND PSI. I GOT TO TELL ALL, I HAD NOTHING BUT GREAT LUCK WITH PSI, BRUCE, AND HIS PRODUCTS. I GO BACK WITH BRUCE WHEN HE MADE THE SWITCH FROM AAEN TOO START PSI. HE ONCE DID A 78 SRX FOR ME TOO 76 SRX SPEC THAT HAULED. ONE OF THE BEST SLEDS I EVER OWNED. I SPENT MANY HOURS ON THE PHONE WITH BRUCE, HE WAS THE VERY FEW THAT CALLED YA BACK. I TALKED TOO HIM WOURS AND HOURS WHEN HE FIRST MADE THESE BLASTERS. HE SENT ME ALL DYNO SHEETS ON THESE PIPES. EXPAINED , RPM, JETTING, FUEL, TORQUE, etc. TOO BAD THINGS DID NOT WORK OUT FOR HIM. !! 3:16 (tony)

[Skinner]

Yea, ya hate to see things like that happen, especially after the guy put his soul into building the company. I'm sure he missed out on many holidays and family events trying to keep the ball rolling and maintaining customer satisfaction. Tony, from what you say, there's not many left in the world like that today, most are eager to get your money and then say your on your own. Ya never know what really happened, he may have got involved with some money hungry, all I care about is the bottom line, self centered, greedy investors. Seems to be an American epidemic these days. Shit like that will give anybody a bad attitude. Small companies with good products get cash strapped, bank won't give them anymore money so all thats left is to sell stock for a cash injection. Once that happens the customer relations generally go down the toilet because all they are concerned with is a return on their investment. Sure don't pay to bash the guy, only a few know the real story. Sooooooo,,,let it go,,,nobody wins

[YAMMIEGOD 3:16]

DAVE, I GOT THE FELLING THE BIGGER HE GOT, THE WORSE THINGS GOT FOR HIM. REMEBER I DEALT WITH WITH HIM WHEN HE WAS JUST STARTING. ALMOST LIKE '' GO OUT OF YOUR WAY '' FOR THE GUY TYPE DEALING. HE ENDED UP DOING A 79 SRX MOTOR FOR ME, MY 77 SRX, AND OF CORSE ALL THE BLASTER INFO IN THE MID NINETIES. I REMEBER SEEING BRUCE AT THE '' BIG EAST SHOW '' IN SYRCUSE NY AROUND 1997. I SAT IN THE PSI BOOTH FOR THREE HOURS WITH HIM TALKING VMAX4,s. !! 3:16 (tony)

[vmax4rules]

I heard he was involved in a real messy divorce?

[SRV540]

dealing with a messy divorce and running a business, would take toll on any man!!!




I heard he was involved in a real messy divorce?