Last year I used to get nose bleeds from sitting up so high on my APEX GT. So I bought another V-Max4. It took alot of seat time to adjust to the APEX vs VMax4. The main difference seams to be the V-Max goes where you steer it, but steering heavy. The Apex turns best when sliding back on the seat and using body weight to help the back come around (rotate). The cigar shaped seat helps to slide front to back instead of the conventional slide to the side of the seat as on V-Max4. After comparing, the Apex takes less physical energy but the Vmax still feels more in control.